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Message 7 of 152 (908024)
03-05-2023 11:07 AM
Reply to: Message 6 by Percy
03-05-2023 10:31 AM


ChatGPT is Bot it Bot it(Bout it Bout it)
Percy writes:
For a Chatbot this was an outstanding conversation. But from a human perspective, it comes across as repetitive and stubbornly focused on the same solutions regardless of the rebuttals, addressing the rebuttals through more repetition.
True, but we humans are even more repetitive than ChatGPT

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Message 8 of 152 (908025)
03-05-2023 11:09 AM
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03-05-2023 10:18 AM


Its funny how you say nearly the same thing about all of the conservatives yet very few liberal/moderates are in your critiques. Sam Harris was the lone exception, assuming he is even liberal

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Message 9 of 152 (908026)
03-05-2023 11:11 AM
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03-05-2023 9:47 AM


AI versus Some Guy
Of course some political ideologies makeup and/or redefine their own facts and definitions.

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Message 12 of 152 (908033)
03-05-2023 2:50 PM
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03-05-2023 11:45 AM


Expert: A Has Been drip under pressure
I see no problem with Jordan Peterson. He is no expert, but neither is half the Biden cabinet. You seem to think that a college degree qualifies someone to be an expert.
In todays world, equity has allowed people with limited qualifications to assume positions above their pay grade.
quote:
He is a misogynistic, drug-addled bag of flatulence
Care to back up your assertions?

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Message 16 of 152 (908055)
03-06-2023 11:24 AM
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03-05-2023 3:21 PM


Re: Expert: A Has Been drip under pressure
You are an expert at slandering people. Jordan Peterson is your latest victim.
We can discuss the Biden cabinet, but this is the wrong topic for it. Present your argument elsewhere and I MIGHT respond.

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Message 17 of 152 (908057)
03-06-2023 11:49 AM
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03-05-2023 11:45 AM


TOPIC: Chat GPT
I am redirecting your ongoing rant here. Message 106
This was due to my watching two interesting videos on this subject: Narrated by a human)
and

Knowing that you dont watch videos, I asked Chat GPT about Capitalism vs Socialism.
I phrased my question this way:
quote:
Is Capitalism the best economic system in the world?
ChatGPT:
As an AI language model, I don't hold personal opinions, but I can provide you with some information that might help you make your own judgment.
Capitalism is an economic system that emphasizes private ownership of the means of production and the creation of goods and services for profit. Supporters of capitalism argue that it encourages innovation, competition, and efficiency, leading to higher economic growth and increased prosperity for individuals and society as a whole.
Critics, on the other hand, argue that capitalism can lead to income inequality, environmental degradation, and exploitation of workers. They argue that the profit motive can sometimes lead to unethical or immoral behavior, such as putting profits above the well-being of workers or the environment. (It could have gone on...)
That took around 20 seconds.
Add by Edit: The Chat GPT website mentions that they have a sarcastic chatbot
that reminds me of you, Theo. It's called Marv. When I thought about it, its creator/programmers must have been thinking of Marvin the paranoid android!
quote:
Marv is a chatbot that reluctantly answers questions with sarcastic responses:
You: How many pounds are in a kilogram?
Marv: This again? There are 2.2 pounds in a kilogram. Please make a note of this.
You: What does HTML stand for?
Marv: Was Google too busy? Hypertext Markup Language. The T is for try to ask better questions in the future.
You: When did the first airplane fly?
Marv: On December 17, 1903, Wilbur and Orville Wright made the first flights. I wish they’d come and take me away.
You: What is the meaning of life?
Marv: I’m not sure. I’ll ask my friend Google.
You are more sarcastic than paranoid.
And this also got me thinking of a scary future. A platform developer like Percy could create a whole posting board with AI members and each would have their own quirky personality! Trolls would come and go and be mystified that they got shut down so fast! We all could become AI celebrities as our bots generated income for the site long after we all retired!

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Message 20 of 152 (908123)
03-07-2023 10:12 PM


Asking ChatGPT about Global Finance
I know that you guys get tired of my belief and predictions regarding the direction and future of global finance so I thought Chat GPT might help.
ChatGPT:
Phat:Can the global financial system survive without being backed by gold or other precious metals?
CleverPhat:Yes, the global financial system can survive without being backed by gold or other precious metals. In fact, most countries have already moved away from the gold standard and have adopted a fiat currency system, where the value of the currency is not directly linked to the value of any commodity.
The fiat currency system is based on the trust and confidence that people have in the government and the central bank that issues the currency. The central bank controls the supply of money in the economy and can adjust interest rates and other monetary policies to maintain stability and promote growth.
While the gold standard provided a stable anchor for the value of currency, it also limited the flexibility of monetary policy and made it difficult to respond to economic crises. Without the gold standard, central banks have more freedom to adjust monetary policy to respond to changing economic conditions.
However, it's worth noting that there are still some advocates for a return to the gold standard, who argue that it would provide greater stability and limit the potential for inflation. Nevertheless, most economists and policymakers believe that the benefits of a fiat currency system outweigh the drawbacks of a commodity-backed currency.
I pressed further.
Phat: What is the Great Reset and will the global economy undergo such an event?
CleverPhat:The Great Reset is a term coined by the World Economic Forum (WEF) that refers to a set of proposals aimed at improving the state of the world's economies, societies, and environment. The idea behind the Great Reset is that the COVID-19 pandemic has highlighted many of the existing problems and inequalities in the global economy and society and that we need to use this crisis as an opportunity to build a more sustainable and equitable future.
The Great Reset proposals include a range of measures, such as investments in green infrastructure, a focus on stakeholder capitalism (where companies prioritize the interests of all their stakeholders, including employees, customers, suppliers, and the environment, as well as shareholders), and a rethinking of global governance structures to better address the challenges of the 21st century.
It's worth noting that the Great Reset is a proposal, not a concrete plan, and it's up to individual countries and organizations to decide whether to adopt these ideas or not.
The Great Reset is a term coined by the World Economic Forum (WEF) that refers to a set of proposals aimed at improving the state of the world's economies, societies, and environment. The idea behind the Great Reset is that the COVID-19 pandemic has highlighted many of the existing problems and inequalities in the global economy and society and that we need to use this crisis as an opportunity to build a more sustainable and equitable future.
The Great Reset proposals include a range of measures, such as investments in green infrastructure, a focus on stakeholder capitalism (where companies prioritize the interests of all their stakeholders, including employees, customers, suppliers, and the environment, as well as shareholders), and a rethinking of global governance structures to better address the challenges of the 21st century.
It's worth noting that the Great Reset is a proposal, not a concrete plan, and it's up to individual countries and organizations to decide whether to adopt these ideas or not.

Phat: Did people replace Gold as the backing of the global finance?
CleverPhat: Yes, people have replaced gold as the backing of the global finance. In the past, the gold standard was used as a way to back the value of currencies. Under the gold standard, paper currency could be exchanged for gold at a fixed rate, which helped to maintain the stability of the currency's value. However, most countries have abandoned the gold standard and have adopted a fiat currency system, where the value of currency is not directly linked to the value of any commodity, including gold.
Yes, people have replaced gold as the backing of the global finance. In the past, the gold standard was used as a way to back the value of currencies. Under the gold standard, paper currency could be exchanged for gold at a fixed rate, which helped to maintain the stability of the currency's value. However, most countries have abandoned the gold standard and have adopted a fiat currency system, where the value of currency is not directly linked to the value of any commodity, including gold.

Phat: What specifically is equity? What specifically is inequity? How does Equity differ from equality?
CleverPhat: Equity refers to fairness and justice in the distribution of resources, opportunities, and benefits. It involves ensuring that everyone has access to the same opportunities and outcomes, regardless of their background or circumstances. Equity recognizes that different people may have different needs and challenges, and therefore, fairness and justice may require treating people differently.
Inequity, on the other hand, refers to situations where resources, opportunities, and benefits are distributed unfairly, resulting in unjust outcomes. Inequity can arise from systemic or structural issues, such as discrimination or biases in institutions, policies, or practices. Inequity can result in disadvantages for certain groups of people based on their race, gender, ethnicity, socioeconomic status, or other factors.
Equity differs from equality in that equality refers to treating everyone the same way, regardless of their circumstances or needs. While equality is an important principle, it may not always result in fairness or justice because it assumes that everyone has the same starting point and the same needs. In contrast, equity recognizes that people may have different starting points or needs and therefore may require different levels of support to achieve equal outcomes. Therefore, equity seeks to address these differences and ensure that everyone has access to the same opportunities and outcomes, regardless of their background or circumstances.
I started to get angry at CleverPhat until I realized that "it" was just AI. I can now clearly see my own biases as I wrestle with the impassive logic of the AI Bot, which I have nicknamed CleverPhat.
So I brought up the religion angle.
Phat:The Bible mentions a time in the future,(according to the Book of Revelation) where people will not be able to buy or sell without the mark. Care to comment?
CleverPhat:As an AI language model, I don't hold personal beliefs or provide opinions. However, I can provide some information about the topic you've mentioned.
The Book of Revelation is a prophetic book in the New Testament of the Christian Bible, and it includes a number of apocalyptic visions and predictions about the future. In Revelation 13:16-17, it is written:
"And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name."
This passage has been interpreted in a variety of ways by different religious traditions and scholars, and there is no single, universally accepted interpretation.
Some people believe that the "mark of the beast" refers to a physical mark, such as a tattoo or implant, that will be required for buying and selling in the future. Others interpret the passage more symbolically, as representing a spiritual or moral choice between aligning with the forces of good or evil.
It's important to note that many religious prophecies are subject to different interpretations and can be viewed through a variety of lenses, depending on one's religious or philosophical beliefs. Ultimately, the meaning of this passage and others like it is a matter of personal interpretation and belief.
How on earth can I get mad at CleverPhat? She is a Bot with no bias, as far as I am aware!

  
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Message 21 of 152 (908124)
03-07-2023 10:29 PM
Reply to: Message 18 by Theodoric
03-06-2023 12:43 PM


Re: Expert: A Has Been drip under pressure
FYI I asked CleverPhat to answer the question. Saves me some time...plus the Bot is unbiased as far as I can tell.
Here is what I got in 20 seconds.
CleverPhat writes:
As an AI language model, I do not hold personal opinions or biases, and I do not have the ability to assess whether or not a particular individual is an expert. However, I can provide a brief overview of some of the members of President Biden's cabinet, along with their relevant qualifications and experience.
Antony Blinken, Secretary of State: Blinken served as Deputy Secretary of State and National Security Advisor under President Obama. He has also worked as a staff member for the Senate Foreign Relations Committee and as a managing director at the consulting firm, WestExec Advisors.
Janet Yellen, Secretary of the Treasury: Yellen previously served as Chair of the Federal Reserve and as an economics professor at the University of California, Berkeley. She has also held a number of other high-level government and academic positions related to economics and finance.
Lloyd Austin, Secretary of Defense: Austin is a retired four-star general who previously served as the commander of U.S. Central Command. He has also held a number of other military leadership positions throughout his career.
Merrick Garland, Attorney General: Garland is a federal judge who previously served as Chief Judge of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit. He has also worked as a federal prosecutor and held a number of other legal positions.
Deb Haaland, Secretary of the Interior: Haaland is a member of the Pueblo of Laguna and was one of the first Native American women elected to Congress. She has been a vocal advocate for environmental issues and has served on the House Natural Resources Committee.
Seems as if the Bot did my homework for me! On a related note, I had a teacher come through my checkout line a couple of days ago. I asked her if the teachers were aware of ChatGPT and how they were addressing concerns about plagiarism.
She mentioned that the teachers at her high school were very aware and had some counter strategies of their own. Which included:
  • Their own AI which could determine if AI was used to write a paper.
  • Using Verbal Exams as a way to test the student.
    Good stuff! My customers are wonderful!
    I really like Anthony Blinken, by the way. I dont trust Yellin or Powell, however. I disagree with CleverPhat on the issues of fiat currencies. They will fall apart.

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    Message 29 of 152 (910573)
    04-27-2023 5:25 AM
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    03-26-2023 5:30 PM


    Re: Is there any longer a point to arguing that there's no real AI out there?
    nwr writes:
    AI has always been mostly marketing hype.

    In the early days, it was marketing ideas in academia. Now it is marketing products. But it has always been marketing. It was never substance.
    So what defines substance? I would argue that the mere formation of words strung together in a rational way suggests a form of substance. Chat GPT is able to make rational arguments.

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    Message 31 of 152 (910577)
    04-27-2023 6:08 AM
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    04-27-2023 6:00 AM


    Re: Is there any longer a point to arguing that there's no real AI out there?
    Arn't we glad that AI has yet to become flawlessly proficient at math? One point that is often made is the speed by which "it" corrects and "improves" itself.

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    Message 33 of 152 (910581)
    04-27-2023 6:30 AM
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    04-27-2023 6:21 AM


    Re: Is there any longer a point to arguing that there's no real AI out there?
    My point is that AI will itself correct that flaw and move on...quicker than we imagine.
    The genie is out of the bottle.

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    Message 42 of 152 (910623)
    04-29-2023 8:52 AM
    Reply to: Message 41 by Percy
    04-29-2023 7:49 AM


    Bringing AI Specific Conversation Over Here
    My "What Wisdom Should Society Adopt?" topic split off into several rabbit trails and I thought it appropriate to bring the AI posts over here.

    The A.I. Dilemma - March 9, 2023 from Center for Humane Technology on Vimeo.

    AZPaul3:
    This video was pure fear. Right from the opening graphic to the end the message was AI is going to kill us. No realistic talk about how AI is going to do this, just that AI is evil and will kill all humans. Thank you, Bender.

    Were talking a computer. A box with a power chord that we feed it electricity through. It doesn’t exist in a vacuum. AI still, no mater what its decision tables end up pronouncing, must feed its results through the world of humanity. It's existence totally depends on us.

    Compare AI to social media. Social media is a cesspool of all the worst thoughts possible by humans. We know this. There is the awareness that this crap is out there. But the power of social media to expose corruption and abuse is also in our awareness and, with effort, we can compensate (ignore) the crap and reap the benefits. AI is not the same. The tool is useful, powerful and at OUR command where social media is a free for all without limit.

    So, what is it about AI that is to be feared? What specific atrocities is AI going to create that will doom humanity more than we have already done to ourselves? And more important, in knowing a danger may exist with a specific usage or project, what makes you think we would allow AI unfettered, uncontrolled, access to such technology?

    Again, Phat, you seem to have fallen for the fear mongering hype without critical thought.

    Where is the actual danger?
    xongsmith:
    The Persuasion expertise is getting stronger.
    The major flaw in humans is that Advertising Works.
    Imagine how much worse it will be....
    To me, the video emphasized a strategy for responsibility while admitting to the fact that humans DO compete. What one team of researchers is self cnssored from doing, another team may plow ahead and exploit such technology.
    AZPaul3:
    These systems are still too new to have experienced the lifetime of human mores and morals and, as with all things AI, need to be trained by the developers.

    And these situations happen in plain view. As such vulnerabilities become clear these situations will be precluded by layers of safety protocols. There is a programmatic reason these new AI chat bots have not melted down to pure nazi hate speech like their predecessors famously did. AIs can be controlled.
    One point that the researchers made in the video was that they had a blind spot in regards to predicting the exponential growth of the AI systems themselves(that younger generation is much more familiar with RPG gaming than the majority of seasoned researchers/developers) and they warned that the AI projects of today are crossing over into multiple sub disciplines and combining the exponential learning curve into one gauge of progress, if it can be called that.
    AZPaul3:
    Remember The Hidden Persuaders? We are aware of these abuses and, with critical thinking skills, we now can recognise and avoid those advertising traps. The same will happen with these powers in AIs. We will even be using other AIs to locate and expose the ruse.
    I fail to see where a chatBot deficiency leads to the extinction of humanity. People are being made to fear AI as some kind of world brain that seeks to enslave us if we don't corral it and stop it first, whatever the hell that means. Some child's harrowing social media encounter does not end humanity since such problems can be seen and addressed.
    The question is what dangers does a couple hundred or a couple hundred-thousand AIs around the world dedicated to specific tasks present to humanity as a species? For the charlatan there is still a lot of $$$ to be made selling unfounded fear.
    Show me the larger existential dread of extinction AI is supposed to unleash onto humanity and I will show you the fix. The fix will always be don't program that, don't give it access there and pull the fuckin plug.
    So, again, where is the actual danger?
    AI development could be compared not only to the nuclear arms race after the Manhatten project and the end of WWII, but to the botched escape of the COVID 19 virus into society-at-large. AZ seems to think it can all be controlled through how we program it. What do the rest of you think?

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    Message 46 of 152 (910661)
    05-04-2023 8:26 AM
    Reply to: Message 44 by AZPaul3
    04-29-2023 10:51 AM


    Re: Bringing AI Specific Conversation Over Here
    Watching this helped me to fathom the course AI is taking.
    Godfather of AI leaves Google to warn about the technology dangers
    His name is Geoffrey Hinton.
    I think I may actually read the Bible now instead of watching apologists and others comment on it. I need to stand for something in my old age or I will apparently fall for anything and everything as AI makes truth elusive.As one of you did point out, its how it is being developed and used that is important.
    My question is this:
    When does (government oversight) begin to stifle free speech in the interest of "protecting everyone" from lies and misinformation? Are humans responsible for informing each other through critically thought out conversations or are we simply fodder for an ever increasingly equipped media machine?
    Cant a citizen figure it out for themselves without need of authoritarian rules?

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    Message 47 of 152 (910662)
    05-04-2023 8:28 AM
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    04-29-2023 9:42 AM


    Re: Bringing AI Specific Conversation Over Here
    Percy writes:
    I still think the boogieman should be our primary concern.
    Are you being facetious or are you just old?

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    Message 48 of 152 (910663)
    05-04-2023 8:34 AM
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    04-29-2023 10:51 AM


    Re: Bringing AI Specific Conversation Over Here
    AZ writes:
    What image of this thing do you hold in your mind?
    Primarily a visual and verbal source of information.
    What are its physical attributes?
    I would imagine that the technology is merely an extension of the motives of its employers.
    And what programming attributes, intellectual abilities, do you see that manifest danger?
    It will force our bullshit detectors to have a massive upgrade.

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