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Message 81 of 98 (917281)
03-30-2024 1:25 PM

Dawkins' Monkey Business
Closest match to quoted material: The Evolution Fraud - An Atheist Passion
In chapter 3 of his book The Blind Watchmaker, biologist Richard Dawkins gave the following introduction to the program, referencing the well-known infinite monkey theorem.*
I don't know who it was first pointed out that, given enough time, a monkey bashing away at random on a typewriter could produce all the works of Shakespeare. The operative phrase is, of course, given enough time. Let us limit the task facing our monkey somewhat. Suppose that he has to produce, not the complete works of Shakespeare but just the short sentence 'Methinks it is like a weasel', and we shall make it relatively easy by giving him a typewriter with a restricted keyboard, one with just the 26 (capital) letters, and a space bar. How long will he take to write this one little sentence?
[NOTE: How lazy of Richard Dawkins to fail to look up the author of his monkey business. It was Sir Arthur Eddington.
In 1928, British astrophysicist Arthur Eddington presented a classical illustration of chance in his book, The Nature of the Physical World: “If I let my fingers wander idly over the keys of a typewriter it might happen that my screed made an intelligible sentence. If an army of monkeys were strumming on typewriters they might write all the books in the British Museum.”
This is nonsense compounding nonsense. And yet my high school math teacher presented this proposition to his classes in the 1960’s.
First, an “army of monkeys” wouldn’t be very interested in hitting typewriter keys repeatedly. There is nothing for them to gain in so doing.
Second, those who did hit the keys would quickly get to the end of the line, and have no concept of returning the carriage to type the second line.
Third, those very few who somehow overcame the first and second hurdles, repeatedly, would find that the paper was ejected from the carriage, and they are hopelessly unable to replace the first page with a fresh sheet of paper.
Fourth, we will never get to the fourth problem of exhausting the ink in the typewriter ribbons because the “army of monkeys” would have defecated on or otherwise ruined every typewriter.
Fifth, Sir Arthur Eddington never began to consider the statistics of monkeys “selecting” 1 out of approximately 100 different keys, counting upper and lower case of all letters, numbers, and punctuation marks. A page of an average book has 250 – 300 words. ( Novel Length: How Long Should your Novel be? | HotGhostWriter )
*Finally, the largest army in the world is the People’s Liberation Army of Communist China, with over 2,000,000 troops. This is hardly “infinite” in number. (Business News Today: Read Latest Business news, India Business News Live, Share Market & Economy News | The Economic Times)
The average word has 6.47 letters. (How Many Words Is 100 Characters? - Capitalize My Title)
Using the lower value of 250 words, times 6.47 letters equals 1,617 characters in a page.
1/100 to the 1,617th power is 10 to the -3,234, for just one page, much less “all the books in the British Museum.”
“we just think of one chance in 10 to the 40th power” as “impossible”. – Richard Dawkins, (The Blind Watchmaker, page 142)
Emil Borel, a famous statistician, defined “impossible” as an event with a probability of 10 to the -50 or less.*1
There are 100 such marbles per meter, and 100 times 1,000 per kilometer.
Therefore 10 to the 5 marbles cubed equals 10 to the 15 marbles per cubic kilometer.
*1 <link removed>
This is equivalent to finding one unique marble, in 923,400 billion billion spheres the size of earth, all full of identical marbles except for one, on your first and only attempt. You do not get an infinite number of attempts, not even two.
Calculations: (10 to the 5th marbles/km) cubed = 10 to the 15th marbles per cubic km
10 to the 15th marbles/cubic km x 1.083 x 10 to the 12th cubic kilometers/earth =1.083 x 10 to the 27th marbles to fill one earth sphere the size of earth.
10 to the 50th marbles / 1.083 x 10 to the 27th marbles/earth size sphere = 9.234 x 1023 earths full of marbles, which is to say 923,400,000,000,000,000,000,000 (923,400 billion billion) earths full to search and find the unique marble on your first and only try. Personally, I would call it impossible to find that unique marble in just one earth-sized sphere full of them.]
Dawkins then goes on to show that a process of cumulative selection can take far fewer steps to reach any given target. In Dawkins' words:
We again use our computer monkey, but with a crucial difference in its program. It again begins by choosing a random sequence of 28 letters, just as before ... it duplicates it repeatedly, but with a certain chance of random error – 'mutation' – in the copying. The computer examines the mutant nonsense phrases, the 'progeny' of the original phrase, and chooses the one which, however slightly, most resembles the target phrase, METHINKS IT IS LIKE A WEASEL.
Dawkins continues:
The exact time taken by the computer to reach the target doesn't matter. If you want to know, it completed the whole exercise for me, the first time, while I was out to lunch. It took about half an hour. (Computer enthusiasts may think this unduly slow. The reason is that the program was written in BASIC, a sort of computer baby-talk. When I rewrote it in Pascal, it took 11 seconds.) Computers are a bit faster at this kind of thing than monkeys, but the difference really isn't significant. What matters is the difference between the time taken by cumulative selection, and the time which the same computer, working flat out at the same rate, would take to reach the target phrase if it were forced to use the other procedure of single-step selection: about a million million million million million years. This is more than a million million million times as long as the universe has so far existed.
[So much for Dawkins’ specious argument in defense of Darwinism, which he proudly claimed, “… made it possible to be an intellectually fulfilled atheist.” (<link removed>) Twenty-six capital letters plus the space bar equals twenty-seven. Twenty-seven to the twenty-eighth power equals ten to the fortieth different possible combinations, Dawkins’ definition of “impossible.” We are looking for only one of this “impossible” number. This is not for all of Shakespeare’s works, but for one short sentence, and even then, on a dramatically altered keyboard, not of fifty possible keys, lower case, and fifty more keys, upper case, but for only twenty-six keys, all upper case.
Of critical but neglected importance is the fact that for “selection” to occur, the intermediary produced by the random mutation MUST confer a “selective advantage” for the host organism, otherwise it will be lost. It is therefore incumbent on the advocate for Darwinism to demonstrate, in each case, what that improvement is and how it operates, every single time, without exception. “Selection” requires no less. This is easily done when copying short sentences, but not so easily done when originally constructing over 20,000 proteins in humans*a, the largest of which is titin, at 38,138*b amino acid residues in length.
One out of 20 amino acids “selected” consecutively 38,138 times has a probability of 1 chance in 10 to the 49,618. This is for only one protein. Calculating for chirality, i.e. the “selection” of L amino acids instead of D amino acids*c and all peptide bonds rather than the equally probable non-peptide bondsd reduces the probability of original naturalistic synthesis to 1 chance in 10 to the 72,578. Twenty thousand more proteins to go!
*a -
*b - The Size of the Human Proteome: The Width and Depth - PMC
*c - ½ to the 38,138 = 10 to the -11,480
*d - ½ to the 38,138 = 10 to the -11,480 ]

[Postnote: Richard Dawkins asserts, “We shall make it relatively easy by giving him (the monkey) a typewriter with a restricted keyboard, only 26 keys…”
The standard American typewriter keyboard has 88 keys, counting upper and lower case, not 26.

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Message 82 of 98 (917282)
03-30-2024 1:29 PM

The Miserable End of Darwinism
The Miserable End of Darwinian Evolution
“There can be no going downhill - species can’t get worse as a prelude to getting better.” – Page 91, Climbing Mount Improbable, by Richard Dawkins
“It cannot be said often enough that Darwinian theory does not allow for getting temporarily worse in quest of a long-term goal.” – Ibid, Page 132
“To say it again, going down the slopes of Mount Improbable is not allowed by Natural Selection.” – Ibid, Page 134
“The fact of heredity sees to it that the accidental improvements found in each generation are accumulated over many generations. At the end of many generations of cumulative finding, a designoid object is produced which may make us gasp with admiration at the perfection of its apparent design.” – Ibid, Page 28
We shall now “gasp with admiration at the perfection” of the apparent design of Darwinian “selection” today.
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Slums are the fastest growing, i.e. Darwinian, human habit on earth today. Worldwide, over one billion humans live in them, 24% of all humanity.
“Going down the slopes of Mount Improbable is not allowed by natural selection.” The billion plus humans living in slums are not going up any slopes other than trash.
Making copies of ourselves “is every living object’s sole reason for living.” – Richard Dawkins
Then Dawkins and his atheist accomplices are all losing the evolutionary battle, and for them, what else is there, really?
While religiously unaffiliated people currently make up 16% of the global population, only an estimated 10% of the world’s newborns between 2010 and 2015 were born to religiously unaffiliated mothers..
By 2055 to 2060, just 9% of all babies will be born to religiously unaffiliated women, while more than seven-in-ten will be born to either Muslims (36%) or Christians (35%). –
We could call this “The Tragedy of the Brights,” as they like to call themselves in smug, pretend superiority.
The least educated of the world are the most Darwinian:
This is in stark contrast to some of the racist and anti-prophetic words of Charles Darwin, whose first book was titled, On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life.
“At some future period, not very distant as measured by centuries, the civilized races of man will almost certainly exterminate and replace the savage races throughout the world.” – Charles Darwin, The Descent of Man, Chapter 3
The ten most fertile countries in the world are all populated by what Darwin referred to as “savages” or “dark races”.
1. Niger: 7.27 children per woman.
2. Angola: 6.57 children per woman.
3. Democratic Republic of the Congo: 6.54 children per woman.
4. Mali: 6.49 children per woman.
5. Benin: 6.48 children per woman.
6. Chad: 6.47 children per woman.
7. Uganda: 6.45 children per woman.
8. Somalia: 6.43 children per woman.
9. South Sudan: 6.42 children per woman.
10. Burundi: 6.41 children per woman1. (
The least educated also happen to be the least developed:
And the poorest:
In conclusion, Darwinism and its atheist advocates in particular, such as Richard Dawkins, married three times and only one child, are evolutionary failures.
Science Books Challenging Darwinism
Intelligent Design – The Bridge Between Science and Theology, William A. Dembski
Signature in the Cell- DNA and the Evidence for Intelligent Design, by Stephen C. Meyer
The Design Inference: Eliminating Chance Through Small Probabilities, by William A. Dembski
Understanding Intelligent Design: Everything You Need to Know in Plain Language, by Dembski et al
Darwin Devolves: The New Science About DNA That Challenges Evolution, by Michael J. Behe
Intelligent Design: Message From the Designers, by Rael
Darwin’s Doubt: The Explosive Origin of Animal Life and the Case for Intelligent Design, by Stephen C. Meyer
Understanding Intelligent Design: Everything You Need to Know in Plain Language by William A. Dembski
Undeniable, by Douglas Axe
Brilliant Creations – The Wonder of Nature and Life, by John Phillip Jaeger

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Message 97 of 98 (917533)
04-09-2024 5:54 PM
Reply to: Message 60 by Taq
03-01-2023 11:02 AM

Douglas Axe has shown that only 1 in 10 to the 77th polypeptide sequences are active.
The fatuous pretense by Darwinists/atheists is that a few polypeptide sequences is all that is needed to achieve any and all functions. This is wishful thinking to pretend that Darwin was right.
Evidence does not support this but presenting evidence is useless to Darwinists/atheists.
You have your religion and will not be bothered by contrary facts.
It is for that reason that Ernst Haeckel's fraudulent drawings have been preached to your members for 100 years after he was exposed in court as a fraud.
Please continue to squawk to each other and pat each other on the back.
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