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dwise1
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Message 271 of 303 (910920)
05-26-2023 4:06 AM
Reply to: Message 265 by Phat
05-25-2023 8:32 PM


Re: Fascism is here
They really need to quit pushing CRT. It fosters division rather than unity.
I fully agree, but that won't stop those fucking evil MAGAt traitors. One of the few things I can agree with Trump on is that traitors should be executed. I wonder which yardarm Trump should hang from -- please not on the USS Constitution, which would stain that icon forever (the Flag of the United States Navy displays the ACE: Anchor, Constitution, Eagle). Not on my watch!
Those fucking stupid MAGAts keep pushing CRT as some imminent danger, when it is not. They don't know what it even is, just as they have absolutely no clue what "woke" is. Those are nothing more than buzzwords, "dog whistles", that they are conditioned Pavlovianally to react to *, the same as creationists react to the dog whistles of "evolution" and "evolutionists" even though none of them have any inkling of an idea of what those words actually mean.
So just what exactly is Critical Race Theory? From that link:
quote:
Critical race theory (CRT) is a cross-disciplinary examination – by social and civil-rights scholars and activists – of how laws, social and political movements, and media shape, and are shaped by, social conceptions of race and ethnicity. The word critical in the name is an academic reference to critical thinking, critical theory, and scholarly criticism, rather than criticizing or blaming people.
Critical Race Theory is the stuff of third-year law school, not any fucking K-3 curriculum. (Standard question to fucking stupid creationists: So just what the fuck are you talking about?)
MAGAts don't care about the truth, do they?
The truth is that racism did indeed lead to measures, especially (but not exclusively) in the South which directly affected state laws (eg, redlining, which also affected Mexican-Americans' rights to own property in Orange County, Calif, in the 1920's leading to the coloñas
). That is specifically what Critical Race Theory addresses. These laws are referred to as "Jim Crow Laws", which also extended into election laws with poll taxes, poll tests ("How many marbles are there in this here jar now, boy?")
So then here is the choice:
  • Stop the Jim Crow laws and allow complete equality under the law. Or ...
  • Do a cover-up about the Jim Crow laws and not only continue to implement them but also expand them, all while directly opposing anyone who might make any mention of such Jim Crow laws, as well as any mention about slavery in the USA.
Slavery happened. It is a historic fact.
Jim Crow laws happened. They are a historic fact.
History must be taught. Unless you are a MAGAt who decides that history must be rewritten.
History must be taught. Or are you personally opposed to the truth?
How much more simply could we put it?

FOOTNOTE *:
Three and a Half Men episode where the two brothers spend the evening at "Pavlov's Bar" where periodically the bartender would ring a bell whereupon everybody would bark and take a shot. Drunk, the brothers decide to finally confront their mother (dysfunctional rich family), so they tell the taxi driver to drive down this main street until he reaches the Gates of Hell, where she resides. At her front door, they ring the doorbell and immediately start to bark, confused as to why they just did that.
Well, I thought it was funny.

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Percy
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Message 272 of 303 (910923)
05-26-2023 8:16 AM
Reply to: Message 265 by Phat
05-25-2023 8:32 PM


Re: Fascism is here
Phat writes:
They really need to quit pushing CRT.
Unless they're fomenting insurrection or inciting riots or encouraging murder or engaging in libel or such things, why does anyone have to stop pushing anything?
It fosters division rather than unity.
Yes, it is obvious that calling attention to America's racist past alienates racists.
And your comment shows evidence of progressive authoritarianism. Since when do Americans have no right to publicly humiliate a divisive agenda? Would you not want that same right?
Uh, since the First Amendment?

--Percy

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Theodoric
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Message 273 of 303 (910926)
05-26-2023 8:30 AM
Reply to: Message 265 by Phat
05-25-2023 8:32 PM


Re: Fascism is here
I guess what irks me is Theos authoritarian cure for free speech
Please show where I have advocated for such a thing. Just because you are wrong does not make me an authoritarian.
Are you claiming banning free speech is free speech?
Who is "they"? How are they pushing CRT? Do you have any idea what CRT is? Where is it being taught? Why do you think Amanda Gorman's work was singled out? Have you read her book?

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Phat
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Message 274 of 303 (910943)
05-27-2023 6:50 PM
Reply to: Message 266 by nwr
05-25-2023 8:42 PM


Re: Fascism is here
What you (militant progressives) DONT have the right to do is make up fancy theories and attempt to shame or silence people through trying to be morality cops and by using the cancel culture narrative. You don't get to redefine either self identity or morality
That's what happens when humans become woke as a joke.

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nwr
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Message 275 of 303 (910945)
05-27-2023 7:13 PM
Reply to: Message 274 by Phat
05-27-2023 6:50 PM


Re: Fascism is here
Phat in Message 274 writes:
What you (militant progressives) DONT have the right to do is make up fancy theories and attempt to shame or silence people through trying to be morality cops and by using the cancel culture narrative.
Bad pronoun usage -- I'm referring to that "you". I am not a militant progressive.
The fact is that they do have that right. It's the right of free speech and the right of assembly. It is there in the constitution.
And you have the right to disagree with them and to express that disagreement. Personally, I disagree with them, but I also disagree with the way that some Republicans are trying to deal with it.

--> -->Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity <-- <--

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Theodoric
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Message 276 of 303 (910947)
05-27-2023 7:22 PM
Reply to: Message 274 by Phat
05-27-2023 6:50 PM


Re: Fascism is here
What morality are the progressives pushing?

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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xongsmith
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Message 277 of 303 (910948)
05-27-2023 11:00 PM
Reply to: Message 274 by Phat
05-27-2023 6:50 PM


Re: Fascism is here
Poor Phat. Cannot understand. Maybe someday he might, but it's getting late for that.
where's the DOWN vote button we used to have?
maybe it's just as well it was taken off the board.

"I'm the Grim Reaper now, Mitch. Step aside."
Death to #TzarVladimirtheCondemned!
Enjoy every sandwich!

- xongsmith, 5.7dawkins scale


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Theodoric
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Message 278 of 303 (910949)
05-28-2023 12:14 AM
Reply to: Message 273 by Theodoric
05-26-2023 8:30 AM


Re: Fascism is here
So you going to run away and hide?

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Phat
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Message 279 of 303 (910950)
05-28-2023 12:37 PM
Reply to: Message 273 by Theodoric
05-26-2023 8:30 AM


Singling Theo Out
First off, the only reason I tend to single you out is because you have never been a believer, you applaud experts(based mainly on their education) and have no problem with eradicating Christian beliefs being represented in a classroom in any way. I had nor have any gripes with Amanda Gorman. No, I have not read her book and my reaction was simply a buildup stemming from what is being taught and what is being dismissed.
Theo writes:
So you going to run away and hide?
No, I'm reading the replies now...
Theodoric writes:
What morality are the progressives pushing?
Good question, I'm going to formulate most of my admittedly knee-jerk response based off of this particular article: Progressivism in the United States
Wiki:
Progressivism in the United States is a political philosophy and reform movement in the United States advocating policies that are generally considered social democratic and left-wing.
Thus we need to distinguish between the characteristics of the early historical progressivism(Late 1890's to onset of Great Depression) and modern progressivism.
Wiki:
While the modern progressive movement may be characterized as largely secular in nature, by comparison, the historical progressive movement was to a significant extent rooted in and energized by religion.[3]
This caught my attention. It brings into play the whole argument between freedom of religion and freedom fromreligion. Basically, my initial gripe was directed at the way that younger society is being taught these days. I knew a bit about what CRT stood for, and I knew that it was not a subject taught to students so much as an overall philosophy increasingly being adapted by teachers(since it is a graduate level study)
In a nutshell, what I fear (logical or illogical might I be) is that the same ideas that we debate here will become mainstream and that students will be taught that it is politically correct to oppose religion(beliefs) and embrace an attitude akin to atheism and secular humanism.
Of course, much of the fault also lies with the churches. It was they who pushed Biblical Creationism with such desperate fervor. And I will cautiously agree that our future students need to be taught critical thinking and an honest examination of history. I simply fear that we are entering an era of over-correction, where minority cultures are applauded and showcased whereas the culture that I grew up in is increasingly shamed and told to sit down.
dwise1 writes:
History must be taught. Or are you personally opposed to the truth?
Religion(Christians, particularly) are increasingly being portrayed as ignorant rubes whose beliefs are grounded in fantasy. Other religions and religious beliefs are showcased and celebrated, turning absolute truth into a mockery. Students are taught moral relativism to an excessive degree.
Of course, were the parents better educated, much of this could be minimized, but it seems that there is an imaginary line in the sand between belief and reality and that the implication is that any well educated individual should be skeptical at best and secular minded in regard to future possible events and trends on our planet.
Percy writes:
Yes, it is obvious that calling attention to America's racist past alienates racists.
I think that the very word racism is tossed around much too arbitraily and liberally. It is one weapon to shame someone into silence for fear of offending anybody.
One of my fears is that the free speech of religion (End times ideas, for example) will get shoehorned into the category of hate speech and divisive thinking while alternative views (which I should be able to criticize) will be more mainstream. Perhaps I am just an old codger with views and beliefs set in stone yet anchored in sand...shifting sand in an age of secular progressivism.

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Percy
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Message 280 of 303 (910953)
05-28-2023 1:05 PM
Reply to: Message 274 by Phat
05-27-2023 6:50 PM


Re: Fascism is here
Phat writes:
What you (militant progressives) DONT have the right to do is make up fancy theories and attempt to shame or silence people through trying to be morality cops and by using the cancel culture narrative.
Militant progressives? Do we really need the "I don't agree with them so I'll call them something that sounds derogatory" attitude?
Everyone has the right to "make up fancy theories and attempt to shame or silence people through trying to be morality cop." They also have the right to make up these kinds of accusations. There is great irony in your calls for censorship in the name of freedom. What you really want is censorship so you can have freedom from criticism.
You don't get to redefine either self identity or morality
That's what happens when humans become woke as a joke.
Woke is being aware of racial injustice, or injustice against any group or minority. The Republican war on "woke" is to justify their prejudices, and you're apparently fully on board with this.
--Percy

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nwr
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Message 281 of 303 (910954)
05-28-2023 1:27 PM
Reply to: Message 279 by Phat
05-28-2023 12:37 PM


Re: Singling Theo Out
Phat in Message 279 writes:
Basically, my initial gripe was directed at the way that younger society is being taught these days.
Do you even know how they are being taught.
I have grandchildren in school, so I at least get some inkling of what they are taught.
In a nutshell, what I fear (logical or illogical might I be) is that the same ideas that we debate here will become mainstream and that students will be taught that it is politically correct to oppose religion(beliefs) and embrace an attitude akin to atheism and secular humanism.
Most teachers try to be neutral about religion. They understand that the first amendment (the establishment clause) requires that. I very much doubt that the schools are teaching them to oppose religion.
Religion(Christians, particularly) are increasingly being portrayed as ignorant rubes whose beliefs are grounded in fantasy.
I very much doubt that this is happening in the schools.
However, it may be what people see on social media. It's a bit hard to avoid noticing that many Christians are in fact behaving like ignorant rubes.

--> -->Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity <-- <--

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Message 282 of 303 (910955)
05-28-2023 2:39 PM
Reply to: Message 279 by Phat
05-28-2023 12:37 PM


Re: Singling Theo Out
Other religions and religious beliefs are showcased and celebrated, turning absolute truth into a mockery.
there is no absolute truth when it comes to religion. And if you were so sure about the absolute truthness of your religion you wouldn't be wetting your pants at the idea of people being exposed to other beliefs.

It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry
Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
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Percy
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Message 283 of 303 (910956)
05-28-2023 3:23 PM
Reply to: Message 279 by Phat
05-28-2023 12:37 PM


Re: Singling Theo Out
Phat replying to Theodoric writes:
First off, the only reason I tend to single you out is because you have never been a believer,...
I don't know what's more incredible, that you're singling out people for abuse because of what they believe, or that you're admitting to it.
...you applaud experts (based mainly on their education)...
Now you're deprecating education and people with expertise? Really?
...and have no problem with eradicating Christian beliefs being represented in a classroom in any way.
I don't think Theodoric would express his wishes using this language, but anyway, the question should not be why Theodoric wants to eradicate Christian beliefs in the classroom, because I'm pretty sure most people here are against any religious beliefs being represented in the classroom. The proper question is why Republicans stopped believing in separation of church and state.
An even bigger question is why it's only Christian beliefs they want represented in the classroom. What about other religions. Christians don't mind if teaching Christianity in the classroom means that Islamic children are taught about God and Jesus, but try teaching their own children about Allah and Mohammed and they'll raise bloody hell.
Religions should exist independent of government, not as part of government. It's as if all the world's religious wars have taught conservatives nothing.
...my reaction was simply a buildup stemming from what is being taught and what is being dismissed.
What is being taught that you object to? Can I guess that you object to raising issues involving racism?
And what is it you think is being dismissed? How color-blind our society is?
It brings into play the whole argument between freedom of religion and freedom fromreligion.
If you understand the difference, why do you advocate teaching Christianity to children of all religions in the classroom?
Basically, my initial gripe was directed at the way that younger society is being taught these days. I knew a bit about what CRT stood for, and I knew that it was not a subject taught to students so much as an overall philosophy increasingly being adapted by teachers(since it is a graduate level study)
I think what you object to about CRT is that it acknowledges racial factors as influencing society and history.
In a nutshell, what I fear (logical or illogical might I be) is that the same ideas that we debate here will become mainstream and that students will be taught that it is politically correct to oppose religion(beliefs) and embrace an attitude akin to atheism and secular humanism.
You're associating CRT with secularism and atheism? This is definitely illogical.
Of course, much of the fault also lies with the churches. It was they who pushed Biblical Creationism with such desperate fervor.
This has nothing to do with CRT, but it is possible that creationism is responsible for at least some of the increase in secularism and atheism.
And I will cautiously agree that our future students need to be taught critical thinking and an honest examination of history.
But...
I simply fear that we are entering an era of over-correction, where minority cultures are applauded and showcased whereas the culture that I grew up in is increasingly shamed and told to sit down.
How can a culture be shamed if it has nothing to be ashamed of? Some culture was responsible for slavery. Some culture is responsible for current racism and discrimination. What culture could that possible be? Are the blacks responsible for their own plight? Did they sail themselves here from Africa? Did they force themselves into servitude on American plantations? Did they declare that they're only worth 3/5 of a white man? Did they enact Jim Crow laws to prevent them from participating in society at large or being represented in their own government? Did they blackball themselves from getting loans for homes or businesses? Did they enact "separate but equal" while ensuring that it meant whites got all the good stuff?
What you want is to conveniently forget all this, pretend that these parts of history never happened and instead to present a whitewashed version of history that doesn't implicate your ancestors and you in one of the biggest and still ongoing injustices of all time.
dwise1 writes:
History must be taught. Or are you personally opposed to the truth?
Religion (Christians, particularly) are increasingly being portrayed as ignorant rubes whose beliefs are grounded in fantasy.
Religion has been portrayed as fantasy since the beginning of time. When one person believes in a fantasy being it's called delusion. When many people believe in the same fantasy being it's called religion. More people believing something doesn't turn fantasy into fact. It just makes it harder to keep them from erecting temples in the town square.
Other religions and religious beliefs are showcased and celebrated, turning absolute truth into a mockery.
Remind me again which religion has the absolute truth?
Students are taught moral relativism to an excessive degree.
Moral relativism seems like one of the important concepts one would want covered in a philosophy course. You don't want this taught?
Of course, were the parents better educated, much of this could be minimized, but it seems that there is an imaginary line in the sand between belief and reality and that the implication is that any well educated individual should be skeptical at best and secular minded in regard to future possible events and trends on our planet.
In a passage I recently read about Mormonism the author described how Mormons are completely reasonable and rational in their personal and work lives in the real world while at the same time holding utterly fantastic religious beliefs that don't conform at all to the real world. Perhaps the Mormons' religious beliefs are a bit odder than most, but his description is true of most religion. Catholics can drive a car and work a job and play a sport while still believing they're eating the flesh and drinking the blood of Christ on Sunday. If a hermit off in the woods believed his dinner was actually the blood and flesh of his god everyone would think he's a religious nut, but if he's a Catholic in church on Sunday he's considered perfectly normal.
There is great irony in the fact that religions that feel they are being singled out for criticism are often guilty of treating religions other than their own just as badly.
Percy writes:
Yes, it is obvious that calling attention to America's racist past alienates racists.
I think that the very word racism is tossed around much too arbitrarily and liberally.
Racists always think there's too much talk about racism. If people would just stop calling attention to their racist attitudes and behaviors then they could go back their racist behaviors in peace.
It is one weapon to shame someone into silence for fear of offending anybody.
Racists are rarely ashamed of their behavior. Certainly you are not. You just want people to stop calling attention to your racism. You tell them that trying to influence your racist behavior is wrong because making people ashamed of something shameful is shaming, and we all know that if there's anything worse than racism that it's shaming.
Conservatives are trying to bring an end to affirmative action, and one of their arguments is that treating people according to race is racist. But that logic is upside down. Imagine a guy who runs a gas station tells a black person he can't use the regular bathroom but had to use the outhouse out back. You tell the guy that he can't do that, that it's racist. The guy objects that it is you who is being racist by calling attention to race.
It's impossible to remedy racial discrimination without talking about race, and calls to cease mentioning race when objecting to racism are absurd. So stop telling us there's too much focus on race, because it's only there because there's so much racism to object to.
--Percy

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Percy
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Message 284 of 303 (911236)
06-20-2023 11:20 AM


Baseless Repetitive Rants
Phat ranted on off-topic in two messages in the The Discipline of Conservative Christian Children thread: Message 54 and Message 56:
Phat writes:
I challenge godless authority because I mistrust progressive intentions. They seek to control my money and force me to give mandatorily my share as determined by them.

Ive prayed about my flaws before, and it may well be that I am sinning by fighting progressives. I refuse to submit to the authority, however.
...
By authority, I meant a populist globalist-leaning government whose military-industrial complex feeds the wars for the stated purpose of improving a lot of humanity but whose agenda leaves the United States itself with a declining middle class, a growing nation of shoplifters and thieves, crumbling infrastructure and ever-growing inflation while we pump money overseas to defend democracy for the rest of the world. I won't see any jail time for that, any more than the shoplifters will after a defunded police have no teeth left to hold them accountable.
What I think we'd all like is for Phat to explain his positions and justify his accusations, but while we seem to have persuaded him to somewhat cut back his reliance on YouTube videos, it's obvious he's still watching them, and it's coincided with an increase in baseless assertions. He has all these feelings pent up inside about progressives and authoritarianism and money and the threat of disadvantaged people and God, but he's unable to argue for them, only repeat them.
I quoted these messages here because I think this thread is the closest to being appropriate for them.
--Percy

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Message 285 of 303 (911272)
06-22-2023 6:11 AM
Reply to: Message 284 by Percy
06-20-2023 11:20 AM


I see shoplifting in real time
Ive talked before about the shoplifting at my store, but not many of you believed me when I told you how much goes out the door. The situation is getting worse all of the time. They installed a one way gate at both doors and now have a new security company, but the owners of our store, Cerberus Capital Management, seemingly only cares about the insurance and not about the declining standards of human decency which they encourage by doing absolutely nothing about it. Right now, the pendulum is swung so far to the left that we have police doing absolutely nothing to stop these assaults on businesses. I believe that the pendulum will swing too far tthe other way and that we will eventually have armed guards and burly loss prevention agents to keep the criminal element out of the store.
The amount of merch stolen ($4000.00 a day) and our observations show that there are around 20-25 repeat vagabonds stealing nearly every day.(they grab an average of over $500.00 every run) It makes me sick. You liberal whiners will coddle the criminals and somehow blame the Republicans, but you likely would not be in favor of better security.

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