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Topic: When Fascism Comes To America
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Tanypteryx
Member Posts: 3885 From: Oregon, USA Joined: 08-27-2006 Member Rating: 3.7
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Message 181 of 227 (908421)
03-14-2023 4:20 PM
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Reply to: Message 180 by Phat
03-14-2023 2:12 PM
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Re: In Brief:
What's that got to do with intuition? Everyone can see the behavior and responses that China makes on the world stage. They are making allies in African and South American countries with underdeveloped industrial infrastructure, but with vast tracts of land and unexploited highly valuable mineral deposits. These are strategic minerals that are essential for advances in technology. Meanwhile, the U.S. is becoming isolationist and spiteful toward our allies and has withdrawn aid from the less developed countries and has opened the gate to Chinese aid for the third world, and this is all driven by the Republicans and conservatives in the U.S. who seem to be afraid of absolutely everything that they can possibly imagine, while intentionally ignoring the global dangers that are obviously imperilling us all!. China is spending 4 times more than the U.S. on renewable energy.
Scientific American:
Nearly half of the world's low-carbon spending took place in China, according to a recent analysis from market research firm BloombergNEF. The country spent $546 billion in 2022 on investments that included solar and wind energy, electric vehicles and batteries. That is nearly four times the amount of U.S. investments, which totaled $141 billion. The European Union was second to China with $180 billion in clean energy investments.
China Invests $546 Billion in Clean Energy, Far Surpassing the U.S.:
Scientific American:
China accounted for nearly half of the world's low-carbon spending in 2022, which could challenge U.S. efforts to bolster domestic clean energy manufacturing
Phat writes: Tanypteryx writes: In other words, ignorance. No. I stand by this one. China has been playing the long game with America for 50 years. Our esteemed financial geniuses have been duped. Just what exactly is this duping that you have brilliantly uncovered? Which country looks like it is behaving like a world leader?
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty PythonOne important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Phat
Member Posts: 17481 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: 12-30-2003 Member Rating: 1.0
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China Has More To Lose Than Anyone Else
Tanypteryx writes: Which country looks like it is behaving like a world leader? China. They have 4 times the people that the US has. Its about time that they spent more money than anyone else. They have more to lose.
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Tanypteryx
Member Posts: 3885 From: Oregon, USA Joined: 08-27-2006 Member Rating: 3.7
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Message 183 of 227 (908429)
03-15-2023 10:28 AM
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Reply to: Message 182 by Phat
03-15-2023 1:48 AM
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Re: China Has More To Lose Than Anyone Else
Phat writes: Tanypteryx writes: In other words, ignorance. No. I stand by this one. China has been playing the long game with America for 50 years. Our esteemed financial geniuses have been duped. Just what exactly is this duping that you have brilliantly uncovered?
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty PythonOne important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Taq
Member Posts: 9666 Joined: 03-06-2009 Member Rating: 3.2
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Message 184 of 227 (908432)
03-15-2023 11:38 AM
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Reply to: Message 182 by Phat
03-15-2023 1:48 AM
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Re: China Has More To Lose Than Anyone Else
Phat writes: They have 4 times the people that the US has. Its about time that they spent more money than anyone else. China GDP: 17.7 Trillion US GDP: 23.3 Trillion China GDP/capita = 12,500 US GDP/capita = 70,200 More people does not equal more money. With a smaller GDP than the US the Chinese have to support almost 5 times the population.
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Phat
Member Posts: 17481 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: 12-30-2003 Member Rating: 1.0
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Message 185 of 227 (908433)
03-15-2023 11:46 AM
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Reply to: Message 184 by Taq
03-15-2023 11:38 AM
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Re: China Has More To Lose Than Anyone Else
Tough. It's not our sole job to save the planet China has bought our T-Bills and supported our inflated dollar for close to 50 years. When they (soon)dump those T-Bills back on us, you will see the result. They have lured us with cheap merchandise and allowed us to feed our standard of living at their own peoples expense! (The CCP is straight up manipulative and evil) Now you are telling me that WE should pay the bill and not them?  If my vote has anything to do with it, we wont pay the bill. They will. If our economy takes a hit, theirs will also. If they want to be the next global power, they will have to work for it! The US is tired of supporting the world. (and paying most of the bills) We are not globalist leaders suckered into paying everything while our middle class suffers. (And the rich will NEVER pay the bill.) The policies you support will shift the burden onto the US middle class. But not today. Not on my watch. Edited by Phat, . Edited by Phat, . Edited by Phat, : nore graphic explanation
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Taq
Member Posts: 9666 Joined: 03-06-2009 Member Rating: 3.2
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Message 186 of 227 (908436)
03-15-2023 1:54 PM
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Reply to: Message 185 by Phat
03-15-2023 11:46 AM
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Re: China Has More To Lose Than Anyone Else
Phat writes: Tough. It's not our sole job to save the planet No one is saying that it is. You are claiming that China should spend more than anyone else while implying they have the most money. This just isn't true.
China has bought our T-Bills and supported our inflated dollar for close to 50 years. When they (soon)dump those T-Bills back on us, you will see the result. You assume that China dumping T-bills will hurt the US. As it stands, the US is perhaps the strongest economy in the world at the moment.
They have lured us with cheap merchandise and allowed us to feed our standard of living at their own peoples expense! (The CCP is straight up manipulative and evil) Now you are telling me that WE should pay the bill and not them? However evil you think China is it doesn't excuse your attempts to put words in my mouth. Nowhere did I say that the US should shoulder all bills. I simply pointed out that the US has more money than the China so it doesn't make much sense to claim that China should spend more than everyone else.
We are not globalist leaders suckered into paying everything while our middle class suffers. We aren't paying for everything and no one is saying that the US should pay for everything.
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 8334 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 2.8
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Message 187 of 227 (908439)
03-15-2023 2:37 PM
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Reply to: Message 185 by Phat
03-15-2023 11:46 AM
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Re: China Has More To Lose Than Anyone Else
You do understand how the bond market works, don't you? They cannot just dump bonds. They have to sell them. mishtalk.com.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Tanypteryx
Member Posts: 3885 From: Oregon, USA Joined: 08-27-2006 Member Rating: 3.7
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Re: China Has More To Lose Than Anyone Else
You do understand how the bond market works, don't you?
They cannot just dump bonds. They have to sell them.
Ah, but that's Phat's brilliant secret strategy, get China to dumb the bonds and eliminate the U.S. national debt.
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty PythonOne important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Tanypteryx
Member Posts: 3885 From: Oregon, USA Joined: 08-27-2006 Member Rating: 3.7
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Message 189 of 227 (908441)
03-15-2023 2:58 PM
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Reply to: Message 185 by Phat
03-15-2023 11:46 AM
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Re: China Has More To Lose Than Anyone Else
Phat writes: If my vote has anything to do with it, we wont pay the bill. They will. I don't know if you noticed, but you don't get to vote on U.S. government policy.
Phat writes: But not today. Not on my watch. More of your delusions of grandeur.
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty PythonOne important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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nwr
Member Posts: 6296 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: 08-08-2005 Member Rating: 4.5
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Message 190 of 227 (908444)
03-15-2023 6:02 PM
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Reply to: Message 185 by Phat
03-15-2023 11:46 AM
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Re: China Has More To Lose Than Anyone Else
Jesus said: Love your neighbor;
Phat said: It's all about me, me, me, me.
--> -->Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity <-- <--
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AZPaul3
Member Posts: 7857 From: Phoenix Joined: 11-06-2006 Member Rating: 2.9
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Message 191 of 227 (908446)
03-15-2023 7:22 PM
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Reply to: Message 190 by nwr
03-15-2023 6:02 PM
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Re: China Has More To Lose Than Anyone Else
nwr writes: Jesus said: Love your neighbor; Phat said: It's all about me, me, me, me. We are looking at mainstream America. Phat represents American society in all it's greed, prejudice and ignorance. American religion, though giving plenty of lip service to helping the poor, appears bound to pullulate the greed, prejudice, ignorance and evil more deeply into the society. This is a long fight against bad odds but I hold hope that some day, before we bake in our greenhouse world and our species succumbs to the void, we can finally acknowledge the humanity we all share. That is my religious fantasy. In Hitchens' name, ra'men.
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
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Phat
Member Posts: 17481 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: 12-30-2003 Member Rating: 1.0
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Message 192 of 227 (908518)
03-16-2023 9:32 AM
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Reply to: Message 186 by Taq
03-15-2023 1:54 PM
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Re: China Has More To Lose Than Anyone Else
You are claiming that China should spend more than anyone else while implying they have the most money. This just isn't true. The American people have the money. The government itself is living on borrowed money. No political party has the right to take money from the people and use it to bail out the government. (And yet they will try) Sure we should invest in renewable green energy. But first we need to come up with the money to do it...to help ourselves and not everybody.
Taq writes: You assume that China dumping T-bills will hurt the US. When every other nation sees it happening, it will be like yelling "Fire!" in a crowded theater. The dollars days are numbered. (Though likely a digital dollar will replace it, revalued of course) As it stands, the US is perhaps the strongest economy in the world at the moment. Get back to me in 6 months. We will see who emerges once the dust settles.
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Phat
Member Posts: 17481 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: 12-30-2003 Member Rating: 1.0
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Message 193 of 227 (908523)
03-16-2023 9:40 AM
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Reply to: Message 191 by AZPaul3
03-15-2023 7:22 PM
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Re: China Has More To Lose Than Anyone Else
AZDoesIt writes: Phat represents American society in all it's greed, prejudice and ignorance. Im simply concerned about my retirement. Arn't you? Or would you rather give everything away to the poor globalist socialist masses yearning to breathe free? Yes, I suffer with entitlement issues, I will admit. Im not simply some third world body. I am an American and I lament the demise of our Great Society. The Wealthy stole the American Dream from the rest of us. Im pissed!
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 8334 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 2.8
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Message 194 of 227 (908525)
03-16-2023 9:45 AM
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Reply to: Message 193 by Phat
03-16-2023 9:40 AM
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Re: China Has More To Lose Than Anyone Else
And yet you advocate policies that make the wealthy wealthier?
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Taq
Member Posts: 9666 Joined: 03-06-2009 Member Rating: 3.2
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Message 195 of 227 (908530)
03-16-2023 10:43 AM
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Reply to: Message 192 by Phat
03-16-2023 9:32 AM
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Re: China Has More To Lose Than Anyone Else
Phat writes: No political party has the right to take money from the people and use it to bail out the government. Congress does have that right, as spelled out in the US Constitution.
When every other nation sees it happening, it will be like yelling "Fire!" in a crowded theater. The dollars days are numbered. The US dollars is one of, if not, the strongest currency in existence right now.
Get back to me in 6 months. We will see who emerges once the dust settles.
I'm guessing you said that 6 months ago, too.
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