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ringo Member Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: Member Rating: 2.9
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Phat writes:
Don't confuse hard-headedness with strength. I'm not as weak as the lot of you were.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: Member Rating: 2.9
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riVeRraT writes:
Some years ago you had an interaction with a member named rrhain. He suggested an experiment: put an inch or so of water in a bathtub, then put a brick in it (dry land). Then scoop up some of the water and pour it over the brick. That was an analogy of the Flood, illustrating how it is impossible to cover all of the existing land with the existing water. You professed, post after post, to not understand the obvious. You were either a huge idiot or you were lying about how huge an idiot you were. Please provide a clear and concise example of me lying, or you are wrong.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: Member Rating: 2.9 |
riVeRraT writes:
I have never seen either one. Don't make assumptions about me. It considers CNN and valuable resource and Fox to be biased. You would be proud.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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Phat Member Posts: 17481 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
I just elaborated a bit in my response to Percy Message 2001
but I couldn't find your exact post asking me that specific question so I'll just answer it here. My "religious" friends would likely warn me about abandoning the truth that I know and setting it aside as you suggest one *must* do if they honestly want to utilize critical thinking.
Tangle writes: You can't hope to even begin a critical thinking course unless you're prepared to accept that you might be wrong about previously held beliefs and preconceived ideas. Well, yet again im a rebel. I am taking the course and I will keep in mind that I could be wrong about certain thinking patterns and ideas...but I'm not a 12 year old Catholic who never met Jesus and decided to throw his beliefs in the gutter as his scientific and rational mind took flight. ![]() The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894). When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022 We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed
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Phat Member Posts: 17481 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
How can I dispute what I haven't studied?
The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894). When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022 We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 7857 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 2.9
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One of them is that the Bible is a poor source of wisdom. You people have nothing better. Oh, Phat-man. Tom Sawyer is a better source of human wisdom then your bible. And I can cite about 2 dozen gazillion more works.Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
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Phat Member Posts: 17481 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
ringo, addressing riVeRrat writes: Don't make assumptions about me. Feisty, arent we? Better use some of your bullets...because I'll make assumptions about you all week long and twice on Sunday. Granted I will keep revising my assumptions as you give me more written ammunition to work with. And FYI...you make assumptions about me based on what I write ALL the time. ![]() The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894). When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022 We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed
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Phat Member Posts: 17481 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Oh, AZ! You and Becky Thatcher would have made a cute couple!
![]() The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894). When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022 We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed
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Phat Member Posts: 17481 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
![]() ringo writes: Im skeptical about stuff that I dont know or cannot see.
When you come to an intersection, you don't take it on faith that there will be no other cars. You skeptically look both ways. You don't have to pretend to accept science any more. You might as well be a full-blown YEC. I accept the science as to how old the planet likely is. Im skeptical about anything to do with YEC, but there is a slim possibility that we *all* are wrong.The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894). When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022 We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 7857 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 2.9 |
Yes, I thought so. At the time I read it Becky and I became quite familiar.
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
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Phat Member Posts: 17481 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
In this day and age, I'd rather trust God than I would humanity. I try and love them all, however. Im just not gonna buy into an eventual global government...if such a Beast would ever rise up.
The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894). When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022 We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed
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Tangle Member Posts: 8946 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 3.9
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Phat writes: Well, yet again im a rebel. I am taking the course and I will keep in mind that I could be wrong about certain thinking patterns and ideas...but I'm not a 12 year old Catholic who never met Jesus and decided to throw his beliefs in the gutter as his scientific and rational mind took flight. You and your friends think it rebellious to want to be able to think clearly? Don't you think that's that's a bit screwed up? And I'm not talking about your religious beliefs. That's the third time I've said that. Keep you damn beliefs, they're irrelevant. Critical thinking is not about religion, it's about thinking rationally. You can't think in a straight line. You think you can and every so often you like to tell people that you're at least as smart as everyone here, but you're evidentially not. But regardless of how clever you are, you can learn some fairly simply thinking skills that you'll find useful in your general life and make you look less like a loon to others.
You have some preconceived ideas that you might need to let go of too. One of them is that the Bible is a poor source of wisdom. You see, you didn't think about that did you? You just shot from the hip, a defensive reflex. I think that the bible is a good source of wisdom - if somewhat unoriginal - but it's not a good source of fact.
You people have nothing better.
Strange then that we people seem to manage just fine isn't it?Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine. "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
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ringo Member Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: Member Rating: 2.9
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Phat writes:
And you'll be wrong.
Better use some of your bullets...because I'll make assumptions about you all week long and twice on Sunday. Phat, Phat, and riVeRraT, Fifty bullets in their hats. Phat writes:
"Based on what you write" are conclusions, not assumptions. riVeRraT's assumptions that I was referring to, were about what (American) news networks I watch. I have not written about that. He was pulling his assumptions out of his ass. And FYI...you make assumptions about me based on what I write ALL the time. Try thinking for once. You won't fry either side of your brain.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: Member Rating: 2.9 |
![]() Phat writes:
You can't see God, so you ought to be skeptical.
Im skeptical about stuff that I dont know or cannot see. Phat writes:
As I said, you might as well not be. You're not really accepting science. You're just cherry-picking the parts you want to accept. That isn't how science works. I accept the science as to how old the planet likely is.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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Theodoric Member Posts: 8334 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 2.8 |
Yet you do. Repeatedly.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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