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Tangle
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Message 7 of 79 (905762)
02-03-2023 11:10 AM
Reply to: Message 5 by riVeRraT
02-03-2023 10:40 AM


Rat writes:
What I read here is I outsmarted gtp then
What I read here was a computer wishing it could slap your face.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine.

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 18 of 79 (905794)
02-03-2023 5:59 PM
Reply to: Message 16 by Phat
02-03-2023 4:54 PM


Re: Bigger Fuse
Phat writes:
Only if I fully embrace skepticism
I see you've abandoned your thinking skills course. That was fast even for you.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine.

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 29 of 79 (905817)
02-04-2023 2:48 AM
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02-03-2023 7:05 PM


Re: Bigger Fuse
Phat writes:
Nonsense. I have abandoned nothing. What I won't easily or readily (or willingly) do is abandon my inner certainty regarding my belief.
You can't hope to even begin a critical thinking course unless you're prepared to accept that you might be wrong about previously held beliefs and preconceived ideas. (This has nothing to do with your faith.)
Yet again, you didn't answer my previous question - why your religious friends would think you mad to do this course?

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine.

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 42 of 79 (905836)
02-04-2023 11:35 AM
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02-04-2023 11:09 AM


Re: Bigger Fuse
Phat writes:
Well, yet again im a rebel. I am taking the course and I will keep in mind that I could be wrong about certain thinking patterns and ideas...but I'm not a 12 year old Catholic who never met Jesus and decided to throw his beliefs in the gutter as his scientific and rational mind took flight.
You and your friends think it rebellious to want to be able to think clearly? Don't you think that's that's a bit screwed up?
And I'm not talking about your religious beliefs. That's the third time I've said that. Keep you damn beliefs, they're irrelevant.
Critical thinking is not about religion, it's about thinking rationally. You can't think in a straight line. You think you can and every so often you like to tell people that you're at least as smart as everyone here, but you're evidentially not. But regardless of how clever you are, you can learn some fairly simply thinking skills that you'll find useful in your general life and make you look less like a loon to others.
You have some preconceived ideas that you might need to let go of too. One of them is that the Bible is a poor source of wisdom.
You see, you didn't think about that did you? You just shot from the hip, a defensive reflex. I think that the bible is a good source of wisdom - if somewhat unoriginal - but it's not a good source of fact.
You people have nothing better.
Strange then that we people seem to manage just fine isn't it?

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine.

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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