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xongsmith Member Posts: 2442 From: massachusetts US Joined: Member Rating: 4.0 |
Wow Phat, do you ever think?
"I'm the Grim Reaper now, Mitch. Step aside." Death to #TzarVladimirtheCondemned! Enjoy every sandwich! - xongsmith, 5.7dawkins scale |
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jar Member Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: Member Rating: 3.8 |
... but the evidence says No!
Phat writes: Dont go telling us that Jesus was non-binary! You have at least admitted that while on earth He was fully human, IIRC. But Jesus is not alive on Earth. Things that are not alive do not have a sex even if humans traditionally use such term. Ships are not female.
Phat writes: Were you in the marketing business, what type of "God" would *you* market, jar? Again Phat, we have covered this time after time after time. GOD does not need to be marketed. But all of the Gods and gods humans create do need to be marketed. And they exist only so long as they are successfully marketed. Only those Gods and gods that humans create need to be marketed. Edited by jar, : appalin spallin My Website: My Website
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ringo Member Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: Member Rating: 2.9
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Phat writes:
You're making my point. Everything you say about Trump is what Trump says about Trump.
I DO know that he clams.... Phat writes:
Another Trumpist lie. The whole rising tides argument kills incentive and small business. There are many countries that you would call "socialist" that are doing better than the US.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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Phat Member Posts: 17481 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Well I wont argue. The Green Dots have spoken.
![]() The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894). When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022 We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed
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Phat Member Posts: 17481 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
I suppose all of that explains why you are unafraid to "throw Him away". ringo has followed in your footsteps. He tossed out the "messenger" and (says) he kept the message.
I worry, though. Humans rejected Jesus and are continually developing a clever counterfeit. Thats just my belief and opinion, though.{watch ringo when he sees this! He will claim that it is I who reject the message and the messenger both!} What you guys fail to see about my beliefs is that even though I believe that Jesus exists in this realm, I am unafraid to question Him and even disobey at times. I DO have a fear of the reality that He knows, however.The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894). When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022 We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed
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Phat Member Posts: 17481 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
ringo writes: So? There are also many countries that we all would call socialist that are failing miserably. Venezuela is one example. I'd have to do my homework to find more, though im sure I could come up with a list. A lot depends on the attitude and mindset of the people who live there. There are many countries that you would call "socialist" that are doing better than the US.The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894). When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022 We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed
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Tangle Member Posts: 8946 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 3.9
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Phat writes: Well I wont argue. The Green Dots have spoken. The great thing about places like this is that they help you learn stuff. But you haven't learnt anything from this simple point have you? So you'll repeat your mistake in a week or so. Have you checked whether ringo is right? How would you do that? Suppose you googled an answer and you found a source showing that on several measures the US is not the great place you thought it was compared to more "socialist" countries, how would you check the source and how would you make yourself not just forget answer? Could you change your mind? Is it possible for your mind to be changed by information contrary to your beliefs?Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine. "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
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Phat Member Posts: 17481 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Im well aware that the US is far from the "best" or "greatest" nation. Ive seen evidence of this in several statistical tables I have looked at. I would, however, rather bash "socialism" than I would bash the US. Socialism wont work for one simple reason. Human nature.
You all will argue that I dont know what socialism actually is or what it means. ![]() The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894). When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022 We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed
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ringo Member Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: Member Rating: 2.9
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Phat writes:
In this case they're saying that I'm not the only one who noticed. The Green Dots have spoken. You seem to enjoy being the outlier. You like to think that you are right and everybody else is wrong. I don't. I like consensus.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: Member Rating: 2.9
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Phat writes:
That confirms that you don't read. watch ringo when he sees this! He will claim that it is I who reject the message and the messenger both! I HAVE said that you reject the message and turn the messenger into a cult of personality.
Phat writes:
Why would you be "afraid to question Him" when you've made Him up out of whole cloth? You've been very careful to make Him up with no requirements that you don't like. What you guys fail to see about my beliefs is that even though I believe that Jesus exists in this realm, I am unafraid to question Him and even disobey at times.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: Member Rating: 2.9 |
Phat writes:
A I have mentioned before, the US spent billions upon billions of dollars for decades upon decades to MAKE socialism fail, so it wasn't exactly an even playing field.
There are also many countries that we all would call socialist that are failing miserably. Phat writes:
And you could do your homework to find out WHY those governments failed. You may find that it is not always because socialism is a bod thing.
Venezuela is one example. I'd have to do my homework to find more, though im sure I could come up with a list. Phat writes:
And on the mindset of the people who try to destroy them. A lot depends on the attitude and mindset of the people who live there. You COULD look at the successes instead of believing every word your right-wing handlers feed you.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: Member Rating: 2.9 |
Phat writes:
But socialism DOES work. Socialism wont work for one simple reason. Human nature. What are you going to say next? Man can not fly? Does a thought ever cross your mind?Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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Phat Member Posts: 17481 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Does a thought ever cross your mind? Occasionally. And you intercept some of them before I even recognize them. I'd just like to bring attention to the fact that ringo...unique among all of us...actually answers nearly every one of his opponents posts. I respect that. No wonder he has me beat.The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894). When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022 We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed
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ringo Member Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: Member Rating: 2.9 |
Phat writes:
What has you beat is the thinking between the posts. I have two hours of computer time and twenty-two hours of thinking time. I respect that. No wonder he has me beat.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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Tangle Member Posts: 8946 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 3.9
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Phat writes: I would, however, rather bash "socialism" than I would bash the US. Socialism wont work for one simple reason. Human nature. So argue this point then. Can you make a a robust, reason-based argument against socialism? And can you do it without first creating a straw man? Socialism isn't communism. On every occasion I've seen you pontificate about it you conflate the two. Here's a start "Socialism and communism both place much value on creating a more equal society and removing class privilege. The biggest difference between them is that socialism is compatible with liberty and democracy, while communism depends on an authoritarian state to create an “equal society” that denies basic liberties" Socialism vs. Communism - Definitions, Differences and OverviewJe suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine. "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
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