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ringo
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Message 3 of 188 (904216)
12-23-2022 11:52 AM


A few years ago, a guy I know went down to Los Angeles with some buddies of his. The first evening, they were walking around when they noticed that everybody seemed to be looking at them. Was it that obvious that they were Canadian?
It was. They finally realized that everybody but them was wearing a jacket. (In Canada, if there's no snow on the ground it's T-shirt weather. The other day, I saw a guy taking his garbage out wearing shorts and sandals.)
It's a brisk -24 F here, supposed to shoot up to -18 F later today. But there isn't much wind. The talking heads who do the weather report are about 12 years old, so they're horrified.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 8 of 188 (904245)
12-23-2022 1:52 PM
Reply to: Message 7 by dwise1
12-23-2022 1:25 PM


Recently, a representative of the School Board remarked that we NEVER have a snow day here. No matter how thoroughly they attempt to contact the parents, SOMEBODY is going to show up at the school, so there has to be somebody there to let them in.
Disclaimer: Once, when I was about 13, they did let us go home an hour or so early because a blizzard was on the way.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 44 of 188 (904470)
12-30-2022 11:24 AM
Reply to: Message 29 by marc9000
12-28-2022 8:56 PM


Re: Midwest unprepared
marc9000 writes:
Fossil fuels are voluntarily purchased by people who desire to have them.
So are drugs.
So are explosives.
So are poison gases.
marc9000 writes:
What kind of laws would you suggest?
Legislators have already suggested them, already debated them and already passed them.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
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Message 45 of 188 (904471)
12-30-2022 11:29 AM
Reply to: Message 28 by marc9000
12-28-2022 8:41 PM


Re: Midwest unprepared
marc9000 writes:
A lot of people don't immediately understand how warming can mean cooling. That was part of the reason for the lack of preparedness for the cold wave.
We have a running joke in Canada: Whenever there's a flake of snow, Americans die like flies.
It's been going on for years, long before global warming was thought of. The United States should be called the Unprepared States.
marc9000 writes:
That was the reason for my entering this thread and getting called names.
Pointing out that a fat man is fat is not name-calling. Pointing out that an idiot is an idiot is not name-calling.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
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Message 58 of 188 (904594)
01-02-2023 11:22 AM
Reply to: Message 50 by marc9000
01-01-2023 4:39 PM


Re: Midwest unprepared
marc9000 writes:
What kind of laws would you suggest?
ringo writes:
Legislators have already suggested them, already debated them and already passed them.
EXAMPLES?
I gave you examples in the post you are quoting Message 44. You said, "Fossil fuels are voluntarily purchased by people who desire to have them." and I replied that so are drugs, explosives and poison gasses. All of them are voluntarily purchased by people who desire to have them. All of them have had laws passed against them.
To spell it out for you, laws don't prevent people from doing what they want to do.
marc9000 writes:
So climate change laws have been passed, and our troubles are over?
See above.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 59 of 188 (904595)
01-02-2023 11:31 AM
Reply to: Message 54 by Phat
01-02-2023 8:16 AM


Re: Midwest unprepared
Phat writes:
I am not an extreme Right Winger politically.
Yes you are. You agree with the extreme right-wingers on everything.
Phat writes:
I never liked Trump, although ringo accuses me of following in his footsteps.
Go ahead and SHOW us that you disagree with right-wing extremists.
Phat writes:
I am pro-private property rights, and pro-business over government monopoly of technology...
Page one of the right-wing extremist handbook (written in pictures like a Chick tract).
And "government monopoly of technology" is a right-wing extremist slogan, like "the Jews are conspirong to set up a New World Order".

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
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Message 67 of 188 (904619)
01-03-2023 10:54 AM
Reply to: Message 62 by marc9000
01-02-2023 10:33 PM


Re: Midwest unprepared
marc9000 writes:
I wasn't referring to non-related laws like drugs or explosives. I was referring to his, or your, propositions for laws to deal with the fossil fuel issue.
How is there a difference?
marc9000 writes:
You know, authoritarian laws.
So you're another right-wing nut who doesn't know what authoritarian means.
marc9000 writes:
ringo writes:
... laws don't prevent people from doing what they want to do.
​They often do, when authoritarian laws do things like deny people the ability to register their cars because they don't pass climate change testing.
People are also denied the ability to register cars that are unsafe to be on the road. Climate-change regulations are just another part of safety regulations.
marc9000 writes:
Policemen who pull unregistered cars over carry guns.
Newsflash! Several police forces are now using a new invention - policewomen.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 520 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 70 of 188 (904622)
01-03-2023 10:58 AM
Reply to: Message 64 by marc9000
01-02-2023 10:48 PM


Re: Midwest unprepared
marc9000 writes:
Climate change alarmists operate almost constantly on fear ...
So do zookeepers. "Don't put your hand in the cages."
There are good reasons to warn people about dangerous things.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 520 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 76 of 188 (904648)
01-04-2023 11:03 AM
Reply to: Message 72 by Phat
01-03-2023 11:24 PM


Re: Midwest unprepared
Phat writes:
Watch the Social Dilemma. It's a good documentary
There's a difference: Social media is only dangerous to people who worship social media. Climate change will kill everybody equally.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 520 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 80 of 188 (904670)
01-04-2023 7:32 PM
Reply to: Message 77 by Phat
01-04-2023 2:44 PM


Re: Midwest unprepared
Phat writes:
This does not mean that we collectively need to morph towards a one-world "democratic" government that markets itself "for the good of all people".
You're the only one who's talking about One World Government.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
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Message 87 of 188 (904729)
01-06-2023 11:26 AM
Reply to: Message 81 by marc9000
01-05-2023 8:43 PM


Re: Midwest unprepared
marc9000 writes:
One is about tradition and common sense, the other is about authoritarianism.
Of course there is no "tradition" about global warming. We haven't understood it long enough to develop any tradition. And of course preventing global warming IS common sense. It's common sense to prevent (by laws or any other means) anything that threatens to destroy our way of life.
So you have shown no difference.
marc9000 writes:
ringo writes:
So you're another right-wing nut who doesn't know what authoritarian means.
​I showed the definition of it in Message 61. It's very simple.
In Message 61, you quoted:
quote:
Authoritarianism ; the enforcement or advocacy of strict obedience to authority at the expense of personal freedom.
ALL laws put the common good before personal freedom. You're pretending that ALL laws are authoritarian, which is ridiculous.
Again, you have failed to show any difference between laws about global warming and any other laws.
marc9000 writes:
No federal laws denying auto registration due to any type of mechanical inspection.
Who said anything about "federal" laws? I'm talking about ANY jurisdiction with a responsible, first-world government, not just those Republiclowns in Washington who try to obstruct everything sensible.
marc9000 writes:
Maybe a few liberal states....
So you admit that what I said was true.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 88 of 188 (904731)
01-06-2023 11:38 AM
Reply to: Message 84 by marc9000
01-05-2023 9:16 PM


Re: Midwest unprepared
marc9000 writes:
Free people should have enough sense to know a lot about danger.
Yes, as I said, "There are good reasons to warn people about dangerous things."
There is nothing "alarmist" about it. REAL alarms are not alarmist.
marc9000 writes:
We can't see danger in things like global temperatures, when we can't directly sense it.
We can't sense danger in a fire at the other end of the building when we can't directly sense it. Your plan is to turn off the fire alarms and wait for people to "directly sense" the fire.
marc9000 writes:
When it's promoted by special interests.
You have it backwards. The "special interests" are trying to downplay the danger. "Don't worry, the fire will never make it to THIS end of the building. How could it?"
The special interests are trying to sell more petroleum products, more gas=guzzling cars, etc.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 89 of 188 (904733)
01-06-2023 11:44 AM
Reply to: Message 86 by xongsmith
01-05-2023 9:27 PM


Re: Midwest unprepared
xongsmith writes:
ringo writes:
Climate change will kill everybody equally.
​nothing could be further from the truth. The poorest countries will pay the lion's share as usual. then in order up to the Elon Musks hiding in their orbiting satellites.
You're right. I have to be careful about thinking in bumper-stickers myself.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
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Message 96 of 188 (904910)
01-11-2023 11:13 AM
Reply to: Message 92 by marc9000
01-10-2023 9:21 PM


Re: Midwest unprepared
marc9000 writes:
ringo writes:
The special interests are trying to sell more petroleum products, more gas=guzzling cars, etc.
This is where climate change alarmists always stop. They never specifically name solutions.
Didn't you see the specific solutions when you quoted them?
1. Sell less petroleum products.
2. Sell fewer gas-guzzling cars.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 520 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 106 of 188 (904939)
01-12-2023 10:58 AM
Reply to: Message 97 by Phat
01-11-2023 1:57 PM


Re: Midwest unprepared
Phat writes:
You cant very well mandate electric vehicles when your blessed poor people cannot afford them.
BUSES, moron. Nobody is suggesting that every welfare recipient should buy a Tesla.
Phat writes:
And passing the expense on to the next class up only brings that class down.
Nonsense, AGAIN. Helping the poor brings your greedy class UP.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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