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ringo
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Message 121 of 174 (904830)
01-08-2023 1:44 PM
Reply to: Message 118 by Phat
01-08-2023 9:03 AM


Re: FANTASYLAND by Kurt Anderson
Phat writes:
Initially, as I began to listen to it, I realized that it was not necessarily a pro Christian worldview book, and I began to feel a bit of anxiety. After praying about it, I felt a green light and a thumbs up in regard to reading it and studying it as deeply as I have my other books.
So this is how you decide what books to read? Only "pro Christian worldview books" are safe to read? No wonder you're stuck on such crazy ideas.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 525 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 123 of 174 (904861)
01-09-2023 10:49 AM
Reply to: Message 122 by Phat
01-09-2023 2:49 AM


Re: FANTASYLAND by Kurt Anderson
Phat writes:
I'm just admitting anxiety at being exposed to uncomfortable worldviews.
If your worldview was solid, why would you be anxious about challenges to it?
Phat writes:
... you have the audacity to imagine that your rational view on things is always superior to religious belief.
There is nothing audacious or imaginary about it. Rational is always superior to irrational. Period. End of story.
Phat writes:
You threw out the Holy Baby with the bathwater.
You have a real talent for shooting yourself in the foot. It's a wonder there's still anything left of you below the waist.
YOU are the one who threw the Holy Baby out. YOU are the one who denies everything He said after He grew up.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 525 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 126 of 174 (904886)
01-10-2023 10:57 AM
Reply to: Message 124 by Phat
01-10-2023 7:03 AM


Re: FANTASYLAND by Kurt Anderson
Phat writes:
You do not get to dictate to me what the beginning and ending of the story is.
I certainly DO get to tell you that rational beats irrational EVERY TIME. Period. End of story.
Phat writes:
You also do not get to have your own evidence, a comment that you have used on me a time or two.
And I have never claimed to have my own evidence, so why would you say such a silly thing?
Phat writes:
It may well be that Kurt Anderson is a non-believer, but he is very adept and skilled at describing trends in American culture.
That is completely irrelevant to what we are discussing.
Phat writes:
In this case, irrationality drove the myth of American exceptionalism...
Which makes my f**king point. If Americans were rational, they would be much better off. Why are you blathering on about it?
Phat writes:
So don't tell me that rational always trumps(no pun intended ) irrational.
You just finished demonstrating that it does!
Phat writes:
We the people are tired of reality. We want America to be back in the saddle again.
Which is irrational! Americans are in the fix(es) they are in largely because of their wannabe irrationality. Rationality would be better! How can you not see that?
It's like you're trying to prove that the earth is flat by showing all the evidence that it is round.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 525 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 127 of 174 (904887)
01-10-2023 11:17 AM
Reply to: Message 125 by Phat
01-10-2023 7:13 AM


Re: FANTASYLAND by Kurt Anderson
Phat writes:
Life should always turn out fair in the end. Everybody gets a ribbon. We the people will be rescued (and will need rescuing, by the way) before our species becomes extinct.
Funny you should say that since you're always preaching AGAINST equality.
Your problem is that you're looking for some external entity to rescue you while you're heaping scorn on your fellow humans who actually CAN help you.
Phat writes:
The anxiety stems from the idea that there is no rescuer and that the world will end up trying to fix itself.
Well, of course there is no rescuer. The world WILL have to fix itself.
Phat writes:
I strongly believe...
You don't "strongly believe" anything. You may weakly wish.
Phatt writes:
...that humans are incapable of enough humility to get along with each other.
What has it got to do with humility?
Phat writes:
I doubt whether *any* of you would give everything up in order to save the people on the planet.
Why do you keep harping on that? You don't seem to doubt very strongly.
Phat writes:
We need Jesus.
No. We don't.
YOU claim to "have" Jesus and what good has it done you? You're wrong about almost everything.
Phat writes:
Not some imitator who will propose a unified global effort at change and growth.
How can you be so stupid? A global effort is essential, now more than ever.
Phat writes:
Case closed.
You have no case to close. You have no leg to stand on.
End of story.
You're ignoring the story.
Phat writes:
ringo writes:
YOU are the one who threw the Holy Baby out. YOU are the one who denies everything He said after He grew up.
This is a blatant falsehood and misrepresentation of my position.
No it is not.
You HAVE thrown out what Jesus said. You don't even TRY to refute that you have. You just deny, deny, deny, like a devoted Trumpite.
Phat writes:
Just so the peanut gallery can take notes.
How can the peanut gallery take notes when you never reply to the rebuttals?

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 525 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 129 of 174 (904909)
01-11-2023 11:05 AM
Reply to: Message 128 by Phat
01-10-2023 2:57 PM


Re: FANTASYLAND by Kurt Anderson
Phat writes:
And of course you have no evidence apart from your own conclusions...nor do any of you.
And YOU have no evidence that Quetzalcoaltl isn't the "real" god. The only difference between you and me is that I treat all lack of evidence equally.
Phat writes:
In fact, I think that you all are against the belief based on the evolution and impact of right wing politics.
You call that thinking? It's more like an empty accusation.
Phat writes:
Were Jesus to whisper to your conscience some night, perhaps not long from now, you would be a fool to dismiss your experience as madness.
On the contrary, I would be a fool to embrace madness as a replacement for reality.
Phat writes:
The world can't fix itself without draconian authoritarian meddling....
Nonsense. The world has neen fixing itself forever.
And learn what authoritarian means!
Phat writes:
And I'm not being negative. I'm being realistic.
You ARE being negative - foolishly negative, without a scrap of evidence to back up your negativity.
And you wouldn't recognize reality if it sat down beside you in church.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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 Message 128 by Phat, posted 01-10-2023 2:57 PM Phat has replied

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ringo
Member (Idle past 525 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 133 of 174 (904941)
01-12-2023 11:16 AM
Reply to: Message 130 by Phat
01-11-2023 2:27 PM


Re: FANTASYLAND by Kurt Anderson
Phat writes:
And you wouldn't recognize reality if it sat down beside you in church.
At least she knows enough to go to church.
Who the f**k is "she"? I was talking to YOU, you moron. Are you trying to undercut Dredge's 9 IQ?
I SAID that you wouldn't recognize reality if it sat down beside you in church. You don't have to demonstrate that I'm right. You've done that often enough before.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 525 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 134 of 174 (904942)
01-12-2023 11:28 AM
Reply to: Message 132 by Phat
01-12-2023 10:46 AM


Re: FANTASYLAND by Kurt Anderson
Phat writes:
No. *You* claim that I am wrong about almost everything.
I demonstrate what I claim. YOU don't even try to refute my claims. You just deny, deny, deny like a devoted Trumpite.
Phat writes:
Wait until the jury comes back with their verdict.
The jury is in.
The jury is in.
The jury is in.
Are you blind? How can you not see them?
Are you deaf? How can you not hear the verdict?
Phat writes:
You and the peanut gallery may be left holding the bag.
Which (AGAIN), you can not demonstrate.
Phat writes:
Of course I dont expect to be right about everything...
Just try not to be so asininely wrong ALL the time.
Phat writes:
... I can almost guarantee that you guys will be wrong about a few things...
Your guarantee is as worthless as the guarantee on the Hindenberg.
Phat writes:
... that you are certain you will be (and currently think you are) right about.
Thinking people are careful about certainty. YOU are not. YOU are certain of things that have been proven wrong over and over and over again.
Phat writes:
Time will tell.
FYI, time is an ongoing thing. It has BEEN telling forever. YOU just aren't listiening.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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 Message 137 by Phat, posted 01-15-2023 10:24 AM ringo has replied
 Message 141 by Phat, posted 01-16-2023 12:28 PM ringo has replied

  
ringo
Member (Idle past 525 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 138 of 174 (905070)
01-16-2023 11:38 AM
Reply to: Message 137 by Phat
01-15-2023 10:24 AM


Re: Phat's Bookshelf Expands. Recomendations Welcome!
Phat writes:
Time itself will allow my demonstration to unfold.
Don't even waste time with stupid statements like that. ANYBODY can say the same thing about their own stupid ideas.
Phat writes:
Nobody knows everything. I can at least admit as much.
You just contradicted yourself again. You just claimed that "time itself" would demonstrate that you are right. That's the exact opposite of admitting you don't know everything.
Phat writes:
You guys need to be humbled once in awhile.
I was just humbled the other day, by xongsmith when I made a rash statement about global warming.
I expect to be humbled by smart people when I say something wrong. I am NOT humbled by foolish people saying something stupid.
Phat writes:
Just try not to be so asininely wrong ALL the time.ALL? That sounds like a bit of a hyperbole.
I don't feel like looking up the HTML entity for infinity.
Phat writes:
I dont expect to be a devoted "Trumpite" anytime soon...
I have asked you many times, why do you agree with him so often? Why don't you ever answer?

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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 Message 137 by Phat, posted 01-15-2023 10:24 AM Phat has replied

Replies to this message:
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 Message 140 by Phat, posted 01-16-2023 12:10 PM ringo has replied

  
ringo
Member (Idle past 525 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 142 of 174 (905079)
01-16-2023 12:51 PM
Reply to: Message 139 by Phat
01-16-2023 12:06 PM


Re: Phat's Bookshelf Expands. Recomendations Welcome!
Phat writes:
Art, Music, Creativity and belief will outgun logic, reason, and data most every time.
You didn't think for a split second before you said that, did you? You just decided to play Mr. Opposite. You might as well have said, "1 + 1 < 2 most every time."
Let's think about it now, shall we?
Where would art and music be without logoc, reason and data? The worms don't produce much in the way of art and music, do they?
Phat writes:
Your right brain came from the tree of knowledge. Your left brain comes from the tree of life.
That makes no sense. Right brain and left brain are inextricably intertwined. You can't pick one over the other.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 525 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 143 of 174 (905080)
01-16-2023 12:54 PM
Reply to: Message 140 by Phat
01-16-2023 12:10 PM


Re: Phat's Bookshelf Expands. Recomendations Welcome!
Phat writes:
"Time itself" is synonymous with infinity and/or infinite wisdom.
No it isn't. Don't call what I say "nonsense" and then say something stupid like that.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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 Message 140 by Phat, posted 01-16-2023 12:10 PM Phat has seen this message but not replied

  
ringo
Member (Idle past 525 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 144 of 174 (905081)
01-16-2023 1:00 PM
Reply to: Message 141 by Phat
01-16-2023 12:28 PM


Re: FANTASYLAND by Kurt Anderson
Phat writes:
And as for the jury?
They are still out.
Nope. In. Dismissed. Gone home.
And you have the unmitigated gall to quote from what you call a "dusty old book"?
And you have the multplied gall to quote from the Revelation? The most obfuscated pile of nonsense in the book?
Shame on you.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

This message is a reply to:
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