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Phat
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Message 128 of 174 (904891)
01-10-2023 2:57 PM
Reply to: Message 127 by ringo
01-10-2023 11:17 AM


Re: FANTASYLAND by Kurt Anderson
ringo writes:
Funny you should say that since you're always preaching AGAINST equality.
Allow me to clarify. I am against financial equality since it allows the government to tax the middle class in order to pay the bills that the poor can't pay and the rich wont pay. While I understand your basic mantra that a rising tide lifts all boats, (which in principle is superior to trickle-down economics) I lament the fact that the bills seem to be increasing (lately almost exponentially) and that inflation itself is a hidden tax. I believe that in America a small businessman should be unencumbered from earning more than his less ambitious (or financially strapped) neighbors without having his hard work taxed to lift up the masses out of poverty. They need to work too.
ringo writes:
Well, of course there is no rescuer.
And of course you have no evidence apart from your own conclusions...nor do any of you. In fact, I think that you all are against the belief based on the evolution and impact of right wing politics. Were Jesus to whisper to your conscience some night, perhaps not long from now, you would be a fool to dismiss your experience as madness.
ringo writes:
The world WILL have to fix itself.
The world can't fix itself without draconian authoritarian meddling from what you will initially see as necessary government intervention.
And I'm not being negative. I'm being realistic.

The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022
We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed

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Phat
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Message 130 of 174 (904919)
01-11-2023 2:27 PM
Reply to: Message 129 by ringo
01-11-2023 11:05 AM


Re: FANTASYLAND by Kurt Anderson
And you wouldn't recognize reality if it sat down beside you in church.
At least she knows enough to go to church. She sits in the third pew right between Mother Nature and Father Time.

The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022
We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed

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Phat
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Message 131 of 174 (904936)
01-12-2023 10:36 AM


AI Superpowers: China, Silicon Valley, and the New World Order
This book stirred up yet more questions (and concerns) regarding the future of the human race. Im listening to it on Audible.
Amazon writes:
Dr. Kai-Fu Lee - one of the world’s most respected experts on AI and China - reveals that China has suddenly caught up to the US at an astonishingly rapid and unexpected pace.
In AI Superpowers, Kai-fu Lee argues powerfully that because of these unprecedented developments in AI, dramatic changes will be happening much sooner than many of us expected. Indeed, as the US-Sino AI competition begins to heat up, Lee urges the US and China to both accept and to embrace the great responsibilities that come with significant technological power. Most experts already say that AI will have a devastating impact on blue-collar jobs. But Lee predicts that Chinese and American AI will have a strong impact on white-collar jobs as well. Is universal basic income the solution? In Lee’s opinion, probably not. But he provides a clear description of which jobs will be affected and how soon, which jobs can be enhanced with AI, and most importantly, how we can provide solutions to some of the most profound changes in human history that are coming soon.
I worry about the whole universal basic income thing. It sounds biased aganst private property rights and portends a demise of the good old boys network that so many of you want to see fall. The impact of AI on the global future will increase the gap between the haves and the have nots. As usual, the victims will be the once flourishing middle class.
To be continued...

  
Phat
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Message 132 of 174 (904937)
01-12-2023 10:46 AM
Reply to: Message 127 by ringo
01-10-2023 11:17 AM


Re: FANTASYLAND by Kurt Anderson
ringo writes:
YOU claim to "have" Jesus and what good has it done you? You're wrong about almost everything.
No. *You* claim that I am wrong about almost everything. Wait until the jury comes back with their verdict. You and the peanut gallery may be left holding the bag.
Of course I dont expect to be right about everything, but I can almost guarantee that you guys will be wrong about a few things that you are certain you will be (and currently think you are) right about. Time will tell.

The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022
We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed

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Phat
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Joined: 12-30-2003


Message 135 of 174 (905020)
01-14-2023 4:06 PM


The Case For Faith (reexamined)
I've had this book a while now, and listen to it over and over in the audio cassette player in the car. Theodoric, wag that he is, will likely go to internet infidels to copypaste someone else's counterclaims to the book's efficacy and apologetic value in general, though I find the book encouraging.
Favorable Reviews:
Goodreads
Critical Reviews: (This is one of the best critical reviews...I respect this author.
The Case Against Faith: A Critical Look at Lee Strobel's The Case for Faith
I have yet to find the critic's name, though his website is amazing!
Sitemap

The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022
We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed

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Phat
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Joined: 12-30-2003


Message 137 of 174 (905054)
01-15-2023 10:24 AM
Reply to: Message 134 by ringo
01-12-2023 11:28 AM


Phat's Bookshelf Expands. Recomendations Welcome!
Phat writes:
You and the peanut gallery may be left holding the bag.
ringo writes:
Which (AGAIN), you can not demonstrate.
Time itself will allow my demonstration to unfold. Nobody knows everything. I can at least admit as much. You guys need to be humbled once in awhile.
ringo writes:
Just try not to be so asininely wrong ALL the time.
ALL? That sounds like a bit of a hyperbole.
ringo writes:
Your guarantee is as worthless as the guarantee on the Hindenberg.
Thankfully your humor keeps us interested in this thread.
ringo writes:
You just deny, deny, deny like a devoted Trumpite.
I dont expect to be a devoted "Trumpite" anytime soon, though one of my conservative friends is trying to convert me!
He insisted that I read two books which are in my reading pile. I'll bring them up for dog-piling later, after I read them,
They are:
Ship Of Fools
The Case For Trump
I might not get to them for awhile...I have older books which come first.

The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022
We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed

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Phat
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Posts: 18388
From: Denver,Colorado USA
Joined: 12-30-2003


Message 139 of 174 (905074)
01-16-2023 12:06 PM
Reply to: Message 138 by ringo
01-16-2023 11:38 AM


Re: Phat's Bookshelf Expands. Recomendations Welcome!
I am NOT humbled by foolish people saying something stupid.
Wanna know what will save the world? Art and Music. The Left Brain. The right brain has been hijacked by rationality and data, which will soon marry artificial intelligence and morph into something nonhuman or inhuman.
Art, Music, Creativity and belief will outgun logic, reason, and data most every time. Your right brain came from the tree of knowledge. Your left brain comes from the tree of life.

The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022
We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed

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Phat
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From: Denver,Colorado USA
Joined: 12-30-2003


Message 140 of 174 (905076)
01-16-2023 12:10 PM
Reply to: Message 138 by ringo
01-16-2023 11:38 AM


Re: Phat's Bookshelf Expands. Recomendations Welcome!
ringo writes:
You just claimed that "time itself" would demonstrate that you are right. That's the exact opposite of admitting you don't know everything.
Nonsense. Humans have not been around all of the time nor will they be here at some point in time. "Time itself" is synonymous with infinity and/or infinite wisdom. Though I dont claim to have infinite wisdom, I feel that I can be in communion with infinite wisdom. This belief in no way means that I know when I will be right...since im a finite being.

The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022
We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed

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Phat
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From: Denver,Colorado USA
Joined: 12-30-2003


Message 141 of 174 (905077)
01-16-2023 12:28 PM
Reply to: Message 134 by ringo
01-12-2023 11:28 AM


Re: FANTASYLAND by Kurt Anderson
ringo writes:
The jury is in.
Not in my courtroom.
ringo:
Are you blind? How can you not see them?
John 12:40 writes:
"He has blinded their eyes
and deadened their hearts,
so they can neither see with their eyes,
nor understand with their hearts,
nor turn-and I would heal them."
2 Corinthians 4:4-6 writes:
2 Cor 4:4-6
4 The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God. 5 For we do not preach ourselves, but Jesus Christ as Lord, and ourselves as your servants for Jesus' sake. 6 For God, who said, "Let light shine out of darkness," made his light shine in our hearts to give us the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Christ.
ringo writes:
Are you deaf? How can you not hear the verdict?
Rev 2:11 writes:
He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. He who overcomes will not be hurt at all by the second death.
Rev 2:7 writes:
7 He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To him who overcomes, I will give the right to eat from the tree of life, which is in the paradise of God.
And as for the jury?
They are still out.

The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022
We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed

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Phat
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From: Denver,Colorado USA
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Message 146 of 174 (905137)
01-19-2023 1:57 AM
Reply to: Message 145 by Theodoric
01-16-2023 3:16 PM


The War On The West
Theo writes:
More stupid comments that are off topic.
The Grinch has spoken. Now on to the next book on the shelf.
The War On The West. I cant say enough about this book. I recommend reading the diverse comments from others on this book,(IN the link) but will quote from the book itself under this subtitle.

The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022
We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed

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Phat
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Message 147 of 174 (905139)
01-19-2023 3:22 AM


The War On The West Chapter One
Chapter One: Race
Chapter One:
There is an obvious, observable truth about people in the West. Historically the citizens of Europe and their offspring societies in the Americas and Australasia have been white. (...)In the war on the West, white people are one of the first subjects of attack. A fact that has been steadily normalized and made into the only acceptable form of racism in the societies in which it happens. To demonize the West, it appears to be necessary first to demonize the people who still make up the racial majority in the West.
Chapter One goes on to discuss the evolution of CRT(Critical Race Theory) and of its effects on society-at-large. Many progressives have been bamboozled through CRT.
Chapter One writes:
...one of the distinguishing marks of CRT was that its assertions were based not on evidence, as it might previously been understood, but essentially on interpretations and attitudes. (...)the rules of CRT had no need for normal standards of evidence. If a person's "lived experience" could be attested to, then the question of "evidence" or "data" had to find a place further back in the queue, if at all.
In other words, it became "sufficient to fall back simply on the evidence of one's own perceptions". Theodoric has yet to explain why one cannot be racist against white people. I await his scintillating logic!
AddByEdit:
Here are the Chapters:
quote:
Chapter 1: Race
01:14:07
Chapter 1: Race, Continued
01:10:48
Interlude: China
47:45
Chapter 2: History
01:16:06
Chapter 2: History, Continued
01:16:02
Interlude: Reparations
Chapter 3: Religion
01:03:22
Chapter 3: Religion, Continued
01:15:14
Interlude: Gratitude
31:37
Chapter 4: Culture
49:48
Chapter 4: Culture, Continued
01:02:49
Conclusion
52:48

The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022
We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed

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Phat
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From: Denver,Colorado USA
Joined: 12-30-2003


Message 149 of 174 (905146)
01-19-2023 9:14 AM
Reply to: Message 148 by Theodoric
01-19-2023 8:22 AM


Re: The War On The West Chapter One
That's all rather interesting but where do you get the idea that the author of the book was racist?
The point of this screed is that it is all just a social construct. You have no idea what the DNA history is of the person you are talking to. We are all the same but we are all different.
So you dismiss his observations and conclusions?

The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022
We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed

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Phat
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Joined: 12-30-2003


Message 152 of 174 (905153)
01-19-2023 10:30 AM
Reply to: Message 151 by PaulK
01-19-2023 9:49 AM


Re: The War On The West
Who do you think profits from it in China itself? Capitalism may well be the global villain, but it seems to me to be a product of human nature. Take slavery. The African opportunists who gathered, betrayed and sold out their own people were more despicable than the Western buyers. And why is the West always vilified for slavery when every bit as much trade went East? They dont talk about Eastern Slaves as much due to the fact that they were often castrated and later killed.

The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022
We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed

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Phat
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Message 156 of 174 (905170)
01-19-2023 11:34 AM
Reply to: Message 155 by Theodoric
01-19-2023 11:01 AM


Re: The War On The West
Reparations writes:
It is impossible not to note how fantastically one-sided, ill-informed, and hostile this debate has become. No world forum ever concentrates seriously on any form of reparations that does not involve the West. And there is an obvious reason why there are no calls for reparations to Africans abducted into the slave trade that went East. Which is that the Arabs deliberately killed off the millions of Africans they bought. But there is little explanation as to why it is that today it is only Western former colonial powers or former slave-owning countries that are expected to pay any sort of compensation for sins of two centuries ago. Modern Turkey is not expected to pay money for the activities of the Ottoman Empire. An empire that, incidentally, ran on for twice as long as the empires of Europe did. After all these years, it is still only the sins of the West that the world—including much of the West—wish to linger over.
That's my source. We now need to find the authors source.

The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022
We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed

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Phat
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Message 160 of 174 (905176)
01-19-2023 11:57 AM
Reply to: Message 157 by Theodoric
01-19-2023 11:40 AM


Re: The War On The West Chapter One
I read the article. To sum it up, I got a quote from it:
Natalie Morris(author) writes:
White people can indeed face stereotypical assumptions based on their skin colour and hence encounter racial prejudice. But this cannot be called racism, because of the inherent systemic imbalance of power between those with lighter skin colour and people of colour.
Racial prejudice can affect people on an individual level, but it would not have the same effect on a larger social and cultural level because it is only when stereotypes are bolstered by power, such as through a eurocentric model of thinking, that it creates systemic and structural racism and oppression that people of colour have encountered throughout history.
Thus I have your argument summarized. It will be interesting to compare with some of Murray's arguments. He is, after all, a Conservative, which is anathema to you!

The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022
We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed

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