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Author Topic:   Phat's Bookshelf
ringo
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Message 2 of 174 (903768)
12-16-2022 12:31 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Phat
12-16-2022 12:15 PM


Instead of starting forty new topics, why don't you answer the multitude of rebuttals in existing topics?

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
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Message 5 of 174 (903958)
12-19-2022 12:08 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by Phat
12-18-2022 11:11 AM


Re: Videos, Books, and Propaganda
Phat writes:
First of all, it takes me time to address arguments.
But you're not addressing rebuttals at all. You're charging ahead to create new topics where you will inevitably just repeat the same old nonsense that has already been addressed.
You're just diluting your nonsense by repeating it in so many tthreads. Stick to one topic and carry it through to the end.
Phat writes:
I need to hear arguments articulated in a disciplined format, such as a book can offer.
Are you saying that my posts are not articulated in a disciplined format?
Phat writes:
Critics will say that the "Book" could be propaganda, but what would we rather have? An authoritarian regime that burns books for the "good of the people"?
Nobody is suggesting burning books.
What I'm saying is read the books and then discuss them.
Phat writes:
I am using the Book Nook to address each book that I actually read.
But you're NOT addressing them. That's my whole point.
Phat writes:
Critics previously lambasted me for getting my information from YouTube videos.
But you're treating the books the same way you treat YouTube - as absolute truth with no room for discussion. If you were actually thinking about the content, you should be able to discuss the rebuttals.
Phat writes:
... don't expect me to believe that your evidence in any way defines reality.
Evidence DOES define reality, in EVERY way. Whether you believe that or not is irrelevant.
Phat writes:
If nothing else, I will challenge the "woke" culture and show them how asleep they really are.
By all means, DO that. SHOW us.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
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Message 9 of 174 (904148)
12-22-2022 11:58 AM
Reply to: Message 6 by Phat
12-22-2022 5:14 AM


Re: Videos, Books, and Propaganda
Phat writes:
Critics previously lambasted me for getting my information from YouTube videos.
Phat writes:
But you're treating the books the same way you treat YouTube - as absolute truth with no room for discussion. If you were actually thinking about the content, you should be able to discuss the rebuttals.
This is a perfect case in point.
How is it a case in point? You're still not addressing any rebuttals.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 25 of 174 (904204)
12-23-2022 10:56 AM
Reply to: Message 11 by Phat
12-22-2022 1:41 PM


Re: Videos, Books, and Propaganda
Phat writes:
I am convinced (so far, anyway) that the Central Banks want to promote digital currency...
So the central banks are conspiring? Who's behind the conspiracy?
Phat writes:
Anyone who doubts the bedrock value of hard assets (Land, Gold, Copper, Nickel, Oil, Natural Gas, etc) need only ask Europe what they think as they shiver this Winter.
The oil and natural gas will be pretty handy to prevent shivering - not so much your adored land, gold, copper and nickel. Gold doesn't give off much heat.
‚Äč
Phat writes:
Why don't banks lend out their reserves?
Because they're reserves.
Phat writes:
Everyone in global finance knows that Gold still backs the Central Banks. If not, why would they bother to own it?
That question has been answered for you before. Read your replies, even if you can't refute them.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
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Message 26 of 174 (904206)
12-23-2022 11:00 AM
Reply to: Message 21 by Phat
12-22-2022 6:32 PM


Re: Videos, Books, and Propaganda
Phat writes:
Does that make any sense?
No.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
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Message 30 of 174 (904222)
12-23-2022 12:14 PM
Reply to: Message 28 by Phat
12-23-2022 11:58 AM


Re: Now that you mention it
Phat writes:
Humans are not a solid bedrock.
But they are. Despite all your harping about the "Rock of Ages", humans are the only thing that matters.
Humans will always need food, clothing, shelter. Humans will always need to work.
Their ability to work is their only real asset. Depressions, wars, etc. can make a mess of any "economic system" but no depression or war can eliminate a human's ability to work.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
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Message 34 of 174 (904227)
12-23-2022 12:22 PM
Reply to: Message 31 by Phat
12-23-2022 12:17 PM


Re: Videos, Books, and Propaganda
Phat writes:
Let's look at the History of major decisions and what ideology the decision makers were, shall we?
Just out of curiosity, do you think you have presented some kind of coherent argument there?

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
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Message 39 of 174 (904233)
12-23-2022 12:31 PM
Reply to: Message 35 by Phat
12-23-2022 12:26 PM


Re: Now that you mention it
Phat writes:
An ounce of gold is worth an ounce of gold.
An ounce of gold will still make as many electrodes as it did in 1933 or as many wedding rings as it did in 1933.
But the value is how much you can exchange it for, whether dollars or bacon. That has changed a lot since 1933 and can also change again.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
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Message 43 of 174 (904237)
12-23-2022 12:42 PM
Reply to: Message 41 by Phat
12-23-2022 12:35 PM


Re: Now that you mention it
Phat writes:
These days, I would rather bring home the bacon.
As usual, you miss the point.
The point is that the value of gold DOES change. It's only worth the amount of bacon you can get for it. It's "stability" depends on the same factors as the stability of the dollar.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
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Message 47 of 174 (904241)
12-23-2022 1:16 PM
Reply to: Message 37 by Phat
12-23-2022 12:29 PM


Re: Videos, Books, and Propaganda
Phat writes:
I am in the process of weighing ideas and in effect teaching myself.
I have mentioned to you before the dangers of self-education. Too much opportunity for confirmation bias.
You need to read things you don't want to read and consider ideas you don't want to consider. You need to BE ABLE to put ideas in your own words and to BE ABLE to put forth coherent arguments for counter-ideas before you decide to add something to your synthesis of ideas.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
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Message 80 of 174 (904342)
12-27-2022 10:55 AM
Reply to: Message 66 by Phat
12-27-2022 7:11 AM


Re: Topic Synopsis
Phat writes:
I have little time to fool around here entertaining your skeptically pickled brains.
Oh, please. You have plenty of time for repeating your conspiracy theories over and over and over again. You can find time to address your replies instead of more and more and more repetition.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
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Message 84 of 174 (904346)
12-27-2022 11:01 AM
Reply to: Message 70 by Phat
12-27-2022 7:25 AM


Re: Videos, Books, and Propaganda
Phat writes:
ringo writes:
You're still not addressing any rebuttals.
Give me a minute!
I've given you YEARS.
Phat writes:
I cant very well answer every one of your rapid fire posts and read books at the same time.
Start with ONE.
You've just done seven posts in a row, in the space of 23 minutes, making excuses and repeating nonsense about the dollar crashing. You have time. Think!

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 102 of 174 (904522)
12-31-2022 12:30 PM
Reply to: Message 100 by Phat
12-30-2022 4:08 PM


Re: its The Marketplace, stupid
Many years ago, my father asked me to draw a cartoon for his Sunday School class: Fred Flintstone with a thought-bubble containing the word E-V-O-L-U-T-I-O-N.
Sometimes cartoons can convey a strong message.
Sometimes it's a false message.
Cartoons are not necessarily a good source of information. They're one step below videos.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 104 of 174 (904591)
01-02-2023 11:07 AM
Reply to: Message 103 by Phat
12-31-2022 4:19 PM


Re: its The Marketplace, stupid
Phat writes:
Sometimes a picture is worth a thousand words.
But not always. You ALWAYS prefer the bumper-stickers and videos to anything in-depth.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 438 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 114 of 174 (904671)
01-04-2023 7:41 PM
Reply to: Message 107 by Phat
01-04-2023 2:39 PM


Re: its The Marketplace, stupid
Phat writes:
A video (or documentary) is quite capable of going into every bit as much depth as is a book.
Nonsense. As I have pointed out before, a book is always there; You can go back to a specific page or a specific paragraph or a specific sentence. You can't do that with a video. They're not that precise.
Phat writes:
You just don't like them because you can't see them on the library computer...
I could see them on the library computer if I wanted to. I don't like them because they're a poor source of information.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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