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Phat
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Message 16 of 21 (903696)
12-15-2022 11:15 AM
Reply to: Message 14 by ringo
12-15-2022 11:02 AM


Re: Pot Meet Kettle?
ringo writes:
I don't know if anybody ever called a belief a lie. Your belief is definitely wrong - and clinging to it despite the evidence is foolish.
That's exactly what an elitist would say. You claim to *know* and claim that I don't know. Such hubris. Im sure Jesus forgives you since He knows your heart...likely better than you do.
I would think that He is puzzled by your lame argument that gods are relative to the individual.
I will have to ask Him, but I hope He forgives me for my own sins.

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Message 17 of 21 (903700)
12-15-2022 11:44 AM
Reply to: Message 16 by Phat
12-15-2022 11:15 AM


Re: Pot Meet Kettle?
Phat writes:
That's exactly what an elitist would say.
How is it elitist? You need to do better than just flining empty accusations around.
Phat writes:
You claim to *know* and claim that I don't know.
That claim is completely valid. You CAN NOT know something without evidence.
Phat writes:
Such hubris.
How is it hubris? You need to do better than just flining empty accusations around.
The hubris is yours, thinking you can "know" something in a complete absence of evidence.
Phat writes:
Im sure Jesus forgives you since He knows your heart...likely better than you do.
Your concern should be about whether He forgives YOU. But of course we're talking about your self-serving made up Jesus, so no doubt you've made up Him forgiving you.
Phat writes:
I would think that He is puzzled by your lame argument that gods are relative to the individual.
You should ask him to help you demonstrate that my argument is lame. You need to do better than just flining empty accusations around.
It's pretty damn obvious that YOUR made-ip God is entirely relative to YOU.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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Theodoric
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Message 18 of 21 (903776)
12-16-2022 3:00 PM
Reply to: Message 13 by Phat
12-15-2022 1:12 AM


Re: Pot Meet Kettle?
The people whose ideas and beliefs you mischarcaterize on almost a daily basis. Other people on this forum you should treat with respect, but continuously lie about. That is who "we" are.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 19 of 21 (903777)
12-16-2022 3:03 PM
Reply to: Message 17 by ringo
12-15-2022 11:44 AM


Re: Pot Meet Kettle?
Phat still needs to learn the words and concepts he flings around. Hasn't happened in 20 years. Never will.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Phat
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Message 20 of 21 (903779)
12-16-2022 3:34 PM
Reply to: Message 17 by ringo
12-15-2022 11:44 AM


Re: Pot Meet Kettle?
ringo writes:
You CAN NOT know something without evidence.
While I agree that there are many examples of things I cannot know without evidence, I will assert that I know some things through intuition. Can I be wrong? Absolutely. But I go with my gut (gut bacteria? ) on some things. I don't need to wait until Joe Biden, Jerome Powell, the peanut gallery, Fox News, or the B.B.C. show me a report that something is real.
ringo writes:
The hubris is yours, thinking you can "know" something in the complete absence of evidence.
I won't place my intuition on a plane equivalent to objective evidence. I will trust my instincts, however.
ringo writes:
You should ask him to help you demonstrate that my argument is lame.
So far He has shown me little evidence. The jury is still out on a few points of contention.
ringo writes:
It's pretty damn obvious that YOUR made-up God is entirely relative to YOU.
Have you ever met Him? Or have you only met me?
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Message 21 of 21 (903835)
12-17-2022 10:55 AM
Reply to: Message 20 by Phat
12-16-2022 3:34 PM


Re: Pot Meet Kettle?
Phat writes:
I will assert that I know some things through intuition.
And your assertion will be wrong. You can only believe through intuition.
Phat writes:
I don't need to wait until Joe Biden, Jerome Powell, the peanut gallery, Fox News, or the B.B.C. show me a report that something is real.
You really do.
Phat writes:
I won't place my intuition on a plane equivalent to objective evidence. I will trust my instincts, however.
Our instincts tell us that outsiders - e.g. black people - can be dangerous. The evidence tells us that we are more of a danger to them than they are to us.
Phat writes:
So far He has shown me little evidence.
If even God can't show you evidence, you should take the hint.
Phat writes:
The jury is still out on a few points of contention.
No. It really isn't. You just refuse to accept the verdict.
Like Trump. They've stopped counting. Get used to it.
Phat writes:
ringo writes:
It's pretty damn obvious that YOUR made-up God is entirely relative to YOU.
Have you ever met Him?
Nobody has ever met your made-up god. Nobody has ever met Long John Silver or Tom Joad or the Wizard of Oz.
Phat writes:
Or have you only met me?
I know you by your fruits.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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