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Author Topic:   The Fourth Turning:An American Prophecy
Phat
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Message 1 of 21 (903494)
12-12-2022 3:51 AM


i've been devouring a lot of books lately, as my eyes get better and my old self comes back as my diabetes sugars fall. I've found that I have more mental focus and can better defend my biases as well as my discoveries along the way. I'm almost finished with Ray Dalio's book, but my quest for knowledge extends far beyond the author.
Hence my latest book:
The Fourth Turning: An American Prophecy - What the Cycles of History Tell Us About America's Next Rendezvous with Destiny The Author, William Strauss, passed in 2007 and thus does not have Dalios perspective or observation on the financial recession of 2008 nor of the blatant infantile attempts to "fix" the system and avoid the necessary pain since then.

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Message 2 of 21 (903519)
12-12-2022 11:32 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Phat
12-12-2022 3:51 AM


Phat writes:
... I have more mental focus and can better defend my biases...
It doesn't show in your posts.
And you shouldn't be defending your biases anyway. You should be trying to get rid of them.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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Phat
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Message 3 of 21 (903538)
12-12-2022 4:04 PM
Reply to: Message 2 by ringo
12-12-2022 11:32 AM


Pot Meet Kettle?
ringo writes:
And you shouldn't be defending your biases anyway. You should be trying to get rid of them.
Mr.Dictionary writes:
1.
prejudice in favor of or against one thing, person, or group compared with another, usually in a way considered to be unfair.
Are you telling me you don't favor one "side" or another?

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Message 4 of 21 (903542)
12-12-2022 4:36 PM
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12-12-2022 4:04 PM


Re: Pot Meet Kettle?
Again you miss the point completely.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 5 of 21 (903547)
12-12-2022 9:32 PM
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12-12-2022 4:36 PM


Re: Pot Meet Kettle?
Of course you would say that. After all you claim too be an elitist. To you there are only facts. To you there is really only one side. One truth and one set of facts.
In your defense Jesus likely felt the same Way.

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Message 6 of 21 (903549)
12-12-2022 10:34 PM
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12-12-2022 9:32 PM


Re: Pot Meet Kettle?
An honest participant would be interested in understanding the point they missed. Instead, you make attacks and lie.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Phat
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Message 7 of 21 (903551)
12-13-2022 1:45 AM
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12-12-2022 10:34 PM


Re: Pot Meet Kettle?
Theo writes:
An honest participant would be interested in understanding the point they missed. Instead, you make attacks and lie.
I wouldn't call them "attacks"...but maybe others see them that way. And I never knowingly lie...at worst I assume or exaggerate. Arguing is fun for me, usually. (And) as a matter of fact, I would be interested in what point you saw that I was missing.
I would be an idiot to not respect the intelligence of the peanut gallery to some extent.

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Message 8 of 21 (903563)
12-13-2022 10:48 AM
Reply to: Message 3 by Phat
12-12-2022 4:04 PM


Re: Pot Meet Kettle?
Phat writes:
Are you telling me you don't favor one "side" or another?
As Theodoric pointed out, that's not the point. The point is that NOBODY should be prejudiced in favor of one side or another. EVERYBODY should do their utmost to eliminate their own prejudices and biases.
You talked in Message 1 about "defending" your biases, which NOBODY should EVER do.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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Message 9 of 21 (903565)
12-13-2022 10:51 AM
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12-13-2022 1:45 AM


Re: Pot Meet Kettle?
Phat writes:
And I never knowingly lie...
You SHOULD know. When somebody tells you something is a lie, you shouldn't just go on repeating it over and over and over again.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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Message 10 of 21 (903584)
12-13-2022 1:27 PM
Reply to: Message 7 by Phat
12-13-2022 1:45 AM


Re: Pot Meet Kettle?
No, you lie about what people actually say all the time. It is your modus operandi.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 11 of 21 (903589)
12-13-2022 2:47 PM
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12-13-2022 10:51 AM


Re: Pot Meet Kettle?
It's rare when I allow other people to tell me hat is and is not a lie. As an example, you guys braying about lack of evidence for Jesus does *not* make my belief a lie.

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Message 12 of 21 (903590)
12-13-2022 3:02 PM
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12-13-2022 2:47 PM


Re: Pot Meet Kettle?
Again you missed the point. The lies are what you claim we say or what we believe.
You truly have no sense of self-awareness.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 13 of 21 (903668)
12-15-2022 1:12 AM
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12-13-2022 3:02 PM


Re: Pot Meet Kettle?
Again, who is this mysterious "we"? We are a nation of individuals, many of whom actually think for themselves and not what Dear Leader (of either political persuasion) suggests they do.

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Message 14 of 21 (903691)
12-15-2022 11:02 AM
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12-13-2022 2:47 PM


Re: Pot Meet Kettle?
Phat writes:
It's rare when I allow other people to tell me hat is and is not a lie.
On more than one occasion I told Faith that it's worse to BE a racist than to be CALLED a racist. If somebody calls ME a racist, my reaction is to ask WHY they think I am a racist - and if there is anything to what they say, I try to overcome my racist tendencies.
The same applies to lies. If somebody accuses me of lying, I ask them to point out exactly what the lie was - and I try to correct their misunderstanding.
Phat writes:
As an example, you guys braying about lack of evidence for Jesus does *not* make my belief a lie.
I don't know if anybody ever called a belief a lie. Your belief is definitely wrong - and clinging to it despite the evidence is foolish.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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Message 15 of 21 (903692)
12-15-2022 11:06 AM
Reply to: Message 13 by Phat
12-15-2022 1:12 AM


Re: Pot Meet Kettle?
Phat writes:
We are a nation of individuals, many of whom actually think for themselves...
But you aren't one of them. YouTube leads you around like a puppy-dog.
Phat writes:
Again, who is this mysterious "we"?
The mysterious "we" is those of us who DO think for ourselves, who CAN back up what we say and who DON'T come back time and time again with PRATTS.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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