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ringo
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Message 31 of 302 (902768)
11-27-2022 1:54 PM
Reply to: Message 19 by Phat
11-26-2022 3:02 PM


Re: Phat Chance he knows anything!
Phat writes:
You, on the other hand, only vilify Republicans.
I'll refer you again to John Stuart Mill:
quote:
"I never meant to say that the Conservatives are generally stupid. I meant to say that stupid people are generally Conservative."
Vilifying stupid people coincidentally vilifies Republicans.
And vilifying evil people coincidentally vilifies Republicans.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 32 of 302 (902770)
11-27-2022 2:02 PM
Reply to: Message 28 by Phat
11-27-2022 11:09 AM


Re: Phat's adoration of the wealthy continues
Phat writes:
The argument, primarily directed at ringo, is that a government has no right to utilize everyone's money in any emergency except what they legally collect in taxes.
And as I have told you many, many, many times, that is all I ever advocate.
Phat writes:
Taxes can never be confiscatory, even if the planet was starving.
Taxes are always confiscatory. You guys put people in prison for tax evasion.
Phat writes:
I am not saying fuck off to everyone on the planet.
You have said repeatedly that you don't want to be equal with the poor.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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Phat
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Posts: 18388
From: Denver,Colorado USA
Joined: 12-30-2003


Message 33 of 302 (902787)
11-27-2022 3:34 PM
Reply to: Message 32 by ringo
11-27-2022 2:02 PM


Re: Phat's adoration of the wealthy continues
ringo writes:
You have said repeatedly that you don't want to be equal with the poor.
Financially? Certainly not. And if we took an honest poll, virtually none of the conservatives and a majority of the liberals wouldn't want to be "equal" with the poor either.
As humans, we are all equal.
As for our livelihoods and personal finance, nobody wants to be poor.
Now I suppose you will bring up the philosophy of how a rising tide lifts all boats.
And as I have told you many, many, many times, that is all I ever advocate.
Lets say we had a bad economic downturn. Let's say that people in the US were actually starving. Let's say the government (of, by and for the people, right?) mandated 60% taxes across the board. My point is that you would consider it a fair game (and legal if your 3 peeps were in power) You will now say how dare I prefer to have a private property while my neighbors starve. My response? Feeding them is up to me...not to a kum ba yah government. Of course you dont see the connection. You once thought satan had a bum rap!

The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
Nor are Democrats the best party or the only one we should have. -Phat,2022 addressing The Peanut Gallery.

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Theodoric
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From: Northwest, WI, USA
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Message 34 of 302 (902794)
11-27-2022 4:17 PM
Reply to: Message 33 by Phat
11-27-2022 3:34 PM


Re: Phat's adoration of the wealthy continues
You are evil and vile. Why do you assume that you would not be one of the starving people? If the economy were that bad taxes would be one of the least of anyone's worries.
Feeding them is up to me...not to a kum ba yah government.
No, it is up to the government. The government is not instituted to protect the wealth of individuals, it is instituted for the good of the whole. Feeding the starving is good for society.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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DrJones*
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Message 35 of 302 (902803)
11-27-2022 4:53 PM
Reply to: Message 33 by Phat
11-27-2022 3:34 PM


Re: Phat's adoration of the wealthy continues
Let's say the government (of, by and for the people, right?) mandated 60% taxes across the board. My point is that you would consider it a fair game (and legal if your 3 peeps were in power)
why wouldn't it be fair and legal for the government to use it's powers to legally raise taxes?

It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry
Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
*not an actual doctor

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Theodoric
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From: Northwest, WI, USA
Joined: 08-15-2005
Member Rating: 2.3


Message 36 of 302 (902820)
11-27-2022 7:14 PM
Reply to: Message 35 by DrJones*
11-27-2022 4:53 PM


Re: Phat's adoration of the wealthy continues
Because we have to protect rich people's money? That is what Phat wants.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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From: Northwest, WI, USA
Joined: 08-15-2005
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Message 37 of 302 (902821)
11-27-2022 7:14 PM
Reply to: Message 33 by Phat
11-27-2022 3:34 PM


Re: Phat's adoration of the wealthy continues
Do you own gold?

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Phat
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Posts: 18388
From: Denver,Colorado USA
Joined: 12-30-2003


Message 38 of 302 (902835)
11-27-2022 8:43 PM
Reply to: Message 37 by Theodoric
11-27-2022 7:14 PM


Re: Phat's adoration of the wealthy continues
No. It's above my pay grade.

The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
Nor are Democrats the best party or the only one we should have. -Phat,2022 addressing The Peanut Gallery.

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Phat
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Posts: 18388
From: Denver,Colorado USA
Joined: 12-30-2003


Message 39 of 302 (902836)
11-27-2022 8:49 PM
Reply to: Message 36 by Theodoric
11-27-2022 7:14 PM


capital gains
One can legally avoid capital gains if they sell small amounts of commodities at a time. Bidens push for digital currency may mean that even small transactions can be tracked.
So far the tX liability still won't affect smaller transactions. I believe the threshold is $3000.00.

The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
Nor are Democrats the best party or the only one we should have. -Phat,2022 addressing The Peanut Gallery.

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Theodoric
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From: Northwest, WI, USA
Joined: 08-15-2005
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Message 40 of 302 (902847)
11-27-2022 9:59 PM
Reply to: Message 39 by Phat
11-27-2022 8:49 PM


Re: capital gains
One can legally avoid capital gains if they sell small amounts of commodities at a time.
Depends on so many variables that what you are saying is silly. Do you have commodities you trade? Do you understand what capital gains are?
Bidens push for digital currency may mean that even small transactions can be tracked.
WTF? Please send me the source for this. I think you may be misunderstanding something. His EO was to start exploring the possibilities and what they would mean. There is by no means a push. Do you think the government should put its head in the sand and pretend that this is not an issue that they should know and prepare for?
So far the tX liability still won't affect smaller transactions. I believe the threshold is $3000.00.
Whwn was the last time you sold stocks, bonds or commodities?

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Tanypteryx
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From: Oregon, USA
Joined: 08-27-2006
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Message 41 of 302 (902850)
11-27-2022 11:39 PM
Reply to: Message 39 by Phat
11-27-2022 8:49 PM


Re: capital gains
One can legally avoid capital gains if they sell small amounts of commodities at a time.
Only if you are a tax cheat.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Theodoric
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From: Northwest, WI, USA
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Message 42 of 302 (902861)
11-28-2022 8:04 AM
Reply to: Message 41 by Tanypteryx
11-27-2022 11:39 PM


Re: capital gains
We already know that Phat thinks it is ok to cheat on taxes.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 43 of 302 (902870)
11-28-2022 9:45 AM
Reply to: Message 38 by Phat
11-27-2022 8:43 PM


Re: Phat's adoration of the wealthy continues
Then how do you know anything about investing in gold?

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Phat
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Posts: 18388
From: Denver,Colorado USA
Joined: 12-30-2003


Message 44 of 302 (902875)
11-28-2022 11:16 AM
Reply to: Message 42 by Theodoric
11-28-2022 8:04 AM


Back On Topic?
Authoritarian Theodoric writes:
We already know that Phat thinks it is ok to cheat on taxes.
Why don't you define what cheating is? I did a bit of research.
Making personal accusations such as that is against forum rules, but then again, you only expect me to follow forum rules.
We are drifting off of the topic in this thread anyway. You are free to start a new thread on Capital Gains. I researched it and may comment in your thread if you keep your accusations and nosey questions about my personal life out of it.
Ray Dalio has taught me a bit about global financial history, but since I'm sure that you know more about it than he does, perhaps we can continue talking about it in this thread.

The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
Nor are Democrats the best party or the only one we should have. -Phat,2022 addressing The Peanut Gallery.

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Phat
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Posts: 18388
From: Denver,Colorado USA
Joined: 12-30-2003


Message 45 of 302 (902877)
11-28-2022 11:18 AM
Reply to: Message 43 by Theodoric
11-28-2022 9:45 AM


Re: Phat's adoration of the wealthy continues
Authoritarian Theodoric writes:
Then how do you know anything about investing in gold?
Well I certainly don't limit my research. A better question is how do you think you know anything about the stock market... never mind commodities?

The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
Nor are Democrats the best party or the only one we should have. -Phat,2022 addressing The Peanut Gallery.

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