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ringo Member (Idle past 669 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
The Weimar Republic had one of the best constitutions ever devised. The problem was that the people didn't respect the constitution or democracy in general.
I dont see us as a fascist nation! We have too many checks and balances Phat writes:
Not near enough for a majority. ...and a good 30% of our people are actally quite moderate and sane.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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Taq Member Posts: 10302 Joined: Member Rating: 7.1
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Phat writes: For the record, I'm not too worried about Trump ever getting into office again. He barely got in the first time when nobody knew how nuts he was, and now that we the people know, how on earth could the guy get elected again? (If it were to happen, I would be convinced that the world was ending! ) The Trump movement is certainly the most fascist we have seen in recent memory, and it is based on ideas that have been circulating in Republican circles for decades now. Perhaps the best distillation of fascism is the Nazi slogan "Blood and Soil", which, by the way, is what the Proud Boys chanted at one of their rallies. This gets to the heart of what fascism is. It is cultishly focused on ultra-nationalism and nativism. It is also focused on a narrative of some great past where the nation used to be better (i.e. "Make America Great Again"). Everything is subservient to those ideologies. It isn't a mistake that fascist groups like the Proud Boys find the Trump movement so attractive. It isn't a mistake that we can see so many parallels to Mussolini's Fascist movement that was later perfected by the Nazis. It isn't a mistake that when the leader of the modern Fascist party (the very same party founded by Mussolini) in Italy became Prime Minister that she was lauded by conservative groups. Why are conservatives such supporters of a fascist? Is the US an authoritarian government? Absolutely not. We have free and fair elections, one of the first hallmarks of a non-authoritarian government. We are nowhere close to one. It is simply ridiculous to point to laws passed by a strong democracy as being authoritarian. Authoritarian is not a synonym for "laws I don't like". This silly game conservatives play with words needs to stop.
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4597 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 9.2
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Phat writes: He barely got in the first time when nobody knew how nuts he was, and now that we the people know, how on earth could the guy get elected again? WTF are you talking about. EVERYONE predicted what a Trump presidency would be like. For Fuck Sake, Hillary predicted it in the debates. You really are a FUCKING IDIOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned! What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Phat Member Posts: 18651 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.3 |
ringo writes: The German people were saddled with war reparations debts from WW I that crippled their economy and snuffed out their ambitions. If we dont want it to happen again, we had best not tax the crap out of the working class in order to pay off the debts and expenses of the enormous social programs which our nation cannot afford. The Weimar Republic had one of the best constitutions ever devised. The problem was that the people didn't respect the constitution or democracy in general. We respect democracy as long as we the middle(working class) are not crippled through being expected to pay the bill that the rich wont pay and the poor cant pay. Edited by Phat, : corrected quote from ringo The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894). When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022 We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed
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Phat Member Posts: 18651 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.3 |
Theo writes: Thats because you ask questions that require me to do the research of a fucking term papers worth of data to address! Ive got things to do every day. I cant answer your incessant demands for evidence on topics that are obvious to the layman. Phat likes to start inane discussions but quickly abandons them to move on to start another inane discussion. There are a number of comments I made that he has not replied to. I will try and look some of your unanswered questions up, though. Do you recall any off the bat?The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894). When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022 We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed
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Taq Member Posts: 10302 Joined: Member Rating: 7.1
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Phat writes: The German people were saddled with war reparations debts from WW I that crippled their economy and snuffed out their ambitions. If we dont want it to happen again, we had best not tax the crap out of the working class in order to pay off the debts and expenses of the enormous social programs which our nation cannot afford. Tell that to your conservative buddies who continue to shift the tax burden away from the rich and onto the working class. If we throw out Medicare and pushed seniors to the private insurance market we would see many seniors dying of preventable diseases simply because they can't afford health care. Do away with social security and you would have seniors thrown out on the streets. We can't afford these programs? BULLSHIT!!! We can't afford not to have them.
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Phat Member Posts: 18651 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.3 |
I fully agree with you.
The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894). When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022 We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9489 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 6.1
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I cant answer your incessant demands for evidence on topics that are obvious to the layman
Evidently they are not obvious. If you don't have an answer then you shouldnt have made the post in the first place. Why did you bring up Rep. Ocasio-Cortez when discussing Candace Owen's?How do we institute a gold standard? Name fiat currencies that failed and why? Why is silver a better investment than the stock market? Do have any idea what The Federal Reserve does? You can start there. You spoke like you understood these subjects. There should be no research if you do. You could just admit you don't know what you are talking about and were just spouting shit.What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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ringo Member (Idle past 669 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
Wrong. The German people had contempt for democracy long before the war, much like the contempt for democracy that the conservatives in the US are developing now. So for, the American conservatives don't have an excuse like war debts. When they do, you'll be goose-stepping down the street with your swastika armband and stiff-arm salute.
The German people were saddled with war reparations debts from WW I that crippled their economy and snuffed out their ambitions. Phat writes:
You're just harping on the same old same old without making the slightest attempt to back up your claims.
If we dont want it to happen again, we had best not tax the crap out of the working class... Phat writes:
I keep telling you, social programs are not a drain on the economy. They boost the economy. They make more taxpayers.
... in order to pay off the debts and expenses of the enormous social programs which our nation cannot afford. Phat writes:
There's your problem right there. You don't respect democracy for its own sake. You don't respect democracy because it's the overall best system. You only respect democracy "as long as" it makes YOU better off (in your own misguided perception).
We respect democracy as long as... Phat writes:
Idiot. The poor COULD pay if you would stop robbing them. ...as long as we the middle(working class) are not crippled through being expected to pay the bill that the rich wont pay and the poor cant pay.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9489 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 6.1
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Worse than hypocrisy: Ray Dalio and the heart of darkest capitalism
quote: What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Tangle Member Posts: 9581 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 6.5
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The three richest Americans own more wealth than 50% of the population of the USA.
The 3 Richest Americans Hold More Wealth Than Bottom 50% Of The Country, Study Finds liberty before equality my arse.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine. "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9581 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 6.5 |
332 million people in the USA. Three people have more wealth that 166 million of them put together. How the fuck is that Christian? How can anyone vote for that kind of society? What's more why do poor people vote for it? Are they really that ignorant? (Rhetorical.)
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine. "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8654 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 6.7 |
There is no major banking problem ... yet. The world media, all of it, is bound to talk us into one.
Banking and markets float on two things: greed and perception. The SVB situation is not a banking meltdown but a normal business failure capitalism expects. The reaction of the fed to take receivership to stop a run before the bank defaulted is good but the reaction of the politicians, including Yellen and Powell, border on surprise which is being magnified by a disaster-seeking media into panic. They are going to stir sensitivity to every minor bank and business loss around the world magnifying the emotion to panic. Somewhere in some community there will eventually be a panic at some bank leading to a wider national bank run of unprecedented scale. I don't think people are working to stop this. Everything I see seeks to exacerbate the negative even back to old Roosevelt quotes given in the midst of a real social collapse. The media is fanning both the greed and the perception flames. These guys are going to talk us into a banking collapse. Yes, it's time to panic.Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
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Phat Member Posts: 18651 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.3 |
In resonse to your questions, Frontline PBS had a timely documentary that explains to you ignorant elitists why I know more than you do about finance!
Age of Easy Money (full documentary) | FRONTLINE Granted I could not articulate my beliefs as well as the documentary, but you be the judge about the scope of the problem. Yes, you all can blame the Republicans, but Powell and Yellin did not help the situation at all. Back in 2008, Obama and the Fed should have let the banking system fail! 2008 Protester:
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9489 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 6.1 |
Why do you think this doc supports your claims?
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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