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Theodoric
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Message 211 of 264 (904131)
12-22-2022 10:34 AM
Reply to: Message 208 by Phat
12-22-2022 5:07 AM


Re: Candace Over AOC
This Candace Owens?
Candace Owens Pushes Unfounded Claim About Zelensky's Wife: 'Despicable'
'People are just so stupid': Candace Owens defends the Confederate flag and equates slavery with owning yachts
'New low': Candace Owens shredded for documentary claiming George Floyd wasn't murdered
She is a grifter that has sold her soul.
As for ties to Great Reset she is close to and associated with Turning Point USA which is one of organizations pushing this the hardest.
More on Candace.
Letter: Here are just a few reasons people might have protested Candace Owens' appearance at NDSU - InForum | Fargo, Moorhead and West Fargo news, weather and sports
Why did you feel the need to compare her with Rep. Ocasio-Cortez? AOC had nothing to do with the conversation.
Curious why you would link them.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 212 of 264 (904168)
12-22-2022 6:57 PM



What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


  
Tanypteryx
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Message 213 of 264 (904173)
12-22-2022 8:46 PM
Reply to: Message 211 by Theodoric
12-22-2022 10:34 AM


Re: Candace Over AOC
Why did you feel the need to compare her with Rep. Ocasio-Cortez? AOC had nothing to do with the conversation.
Curious why you would link them.
Because he's a fucking Republican shill with a hardon for Marjory Taylor Green, who never passes up an opportunity to revile his perceived enemies. The funny thing is he chose Rep. Ocasio-Cortez, who makes Phat look braindead.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

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Phat
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Message 214 of 264 (904174)
12-22-2022 8:51 PM
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12-22-2022 8:46 PM


Re: Candace Over AOC
on my worst day I'd wipe the floor with that socialist.

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Theodoric
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Message 215 of 264 (904175)
12-22-2022 9:02 PM
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12-22-2022 8:51 PM


Re: Candace Over AOC
In what way? Logically? Physically? Intellectually?
Answer my questions from the previous post.
BTW do you even know what socialism or a democratic socialism even is?

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Tanypteryx
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Message 216 of 264 (904181)
12-23-2022 1:12 AM
Reply to: Message 215 by Theodoric
12-22-2022 9:02 PM


Re: Candace Over AOC
BTW do you even know what socialism or a democratic socialism even is?
He has no clue. His brain is pickled on sugar.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Phat
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Message 217 of 264 (904182)
12-23-2022 1:44 AM
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12-23-2022 1:12 AM


Re: Candace Over AOC
Listen, Damselfly in distress! My A1C has dropped to 8.0 from a high of 13.5. I am making a comeback.
My conservative friend urges me to listen to Jim Levin and Jordan Peterson. I respect Peterson but am unimpressed with Levin. The Peanut Gallery might say that I spout Conservative propaganda but all of that stuff that you quote vilifying Candace Owens is Liberal propaganda. Some critics (not I) say that you as a group are irritated that she is black and conservative since it goes against your socialist playbook. I have been accused of being a Republican and thus *not* a team player, but I am far from authoritarian.
Authoritarianism is more prevalent in the political Left than it is in the political Right. You guys wave your hands and claim that you *have* to take charge to save the planet and the people...from God knows what. You disguise your authoritarianism under the guise of empathy and altruism. My heart bleeds for you. Theodoric is going to say that I am avouding his argument, and he is right. Defending my assertions with *facts* is not my strong point, but I will try and come up with something.

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Phat
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Message 218 of 264 (904183)
12-23-2022 2:15 AM
Reply to: Message 215 by Theodoric
12-22-2022 9:02 PM


Re: Candace Over AOC
I'll start by looking them up. Better to ignore preconceived propaganda as much as I can.

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Message 219 of 264 (904184)
12-23-2022 2:22 AM
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12-23-2022 1:44 AM


Re: Candace Over AOC
You keep misrepresenting what authoritarianism is. Please learn what it actually is.
Bob Altemeyer is a now-retired psychology professor who specialized in authoritarianism. Most of his papers used a lot of math and statistical analysis, so he wrote his book, The Authoritarians, in a form that is much more accessible to the average reader.
He also made it as freely available as possible (at the link I just provided). I have the PDF edition, but it's also in a few e-Reader formats as well as audio. It's an interesting and fairly easy read.
A word of advice about reading it: READ THE FOOTNOTES. Some of the most interesting information is in the footnotes, despite his self-deprecating comments about how masochistic you would need to be to read the footnotes.
Please do most definitely add this to your reading list.
In 2020, Altemeyer co-authored a book with John Dean (of Watergate infamy), Authoritarian Nightmare. When he wrote The Authoritarians in 2006, "Dubya" Bush was the worst US president he had ever seen. Now that distinction goes to Trump.
Another book to add is Timothy Snyder's On Tyranny: Twenty Lessons from the Twentieth Century.

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Message 220 of 264 (904185)
12-23-2022 2:28 AM
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12-23-2022 2:15 AM


Re: Candace Over AOC
I found that a good overview is this YouTube video: The Difference Between Socialism, Communism, and Marxism Explained by a Marxist ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyl2DeKT-Vs&t=3s -- sorry, trying to embed the video doesn't work ). Eleven and a half minutes.
ABE:
There is a lot of confusion between social democracy and democratic socialism such that many advocates of social democracy call it "democratic socialism". That is very incorrect. The video gets it right by showing democratic socialism being socialist and social democracy being capitalist.

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Phat
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Message 221 of 264 (904194)
12-23-2022 8:32 AM
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12-23-2022 2:28 AM


Tit For Tat
Good morning, David. I feel quite refreshed after a good nights sleep and my first order of business is to redirect this topic back into my original intent, which is/was economic changes to the world going forward rather than political changes. I am no politician nor would I ever want to be one. Now for the videos. You recommended this one to me, if I have my data right:
The Difference Between Socialism, Communism, and Marxism Explained by a Marxist I will in fact watch it from start to finish with an open mind.(Primarily because *you* recommended it. I trust you more than most peanut gallery members.
Here is mine. Will you watch it (or part of it) when you get the time? I value your opinion.
“We are in a debt trap” - Nouriel Roubini on 10 ‘megathreats’ to our world and how to stop them

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ringo
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Message 222 of 264 (904208)
12-23-2022 11:05 AM
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12-22-2022 8:51 PM


Re: Candace Over AOC
Phat writes:
on my worst day I'd wipe the floor with that socialist.
And yet you never do.
I can SAY that I could make a million dollars in one day - but that claim doesn't mean anything unless I demonstrate it.
Demonstrate your claim by "wiping the floor" with ANYBODY. Demonstrate your claim by finding the floor, ffs.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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Message 223 of 264 (904210)
12-23-2022 11:11 AM
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12-23-2022 1:44 AM


Re: Candace Over AOC
Phat writes:
Authoritarianism is more prevalent in the political Left than it is in the political Right.
I told you before to stop using that word until you understand what it means.
Phat writes:
You guys wave your hands and claim that you *have* to take charge to save the planet and the people...
Taking responsibility is not authoritarian by any stretch of the imagination.
Phat writes:
You disguise your authoritarianism under the guise of empathy and altruism.
How on earth could that "disguise" authoritarianism?

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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Message 224 of 264 (904211)
12-23-2022 11:17 AM
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12-23-2022 1:44 AM


Re: Candace Over AOC
Phat writes:
Authoritarianism is more prevalent in the political Left than it is in the political Right.
You think every country is authoritarian, so your claim really doesn't carry much weight. You probably think traffic laws are authoritarian because they restrict your right to speed through a red light.
You guys wave your hands and claim that you *have* to take charge to save the planet and the people...from God knows what.
It would appear you think authoritarianism is getting elected and passing laws. Go figure.
In case you weren't aware, increasing the amount of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere captures more heat and increases temperatures. Democrats have run on a platform that includes passing laws that could lower our carbon emissions. The people look at the platform the Democrats are running on, and decide whether they should vote for them. You think this is authoritarianism, which is laughable.

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Message 225 of 264 (904214)
12-23-2022 11:47 AM
Reply to: Message 214 by Phat
12-22-2022 8:51 PM


Re: Candace Over AOC
on my worst day I'd wipe the floor with that socialist.
c'mon Phat I have a hard time believing you tie your own shoes never mind being able to successfully debate someone with an education.

It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry
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