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ringo
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Message 159 of 302 (903433)
12-10-2022 11:24 AM
Reply to: Message 157 by Phat
12-10-2022 11:15 AM


Re: Mono-Secularism *is* a One World Government.
Phat writes:
Im supporting individualism at *your* expense.
​Y'know, there's a "Preview" button right beside the "Submit Reply" button. Maybe you should read what you're about to post before submitting such an infernally stupid reply.
I AM an individual, you moron. How can you support me against myself?
Phat writes:
I will spout propaganda from both sides. You only spout it from one side.
Feel free to point to any propaganda that i have spouted.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 498 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 162 of 302 (903439)
12-10-2022 11:44 AM
Reply to: Message 160 by Phat
12-10-2022 11:26 AM


Re: Understanding the purpose of government
Phat writes:
ringo writes:
Stop spouting far-right propaganda and learn what Marxism is.
Only if I also get to learn what Capitalism is.
By all means, learn all you can.
Phat writes:
The "common good" is not served by individual wealth.Tell that to Henry Ford. His company, Ford Motor Company, helped win World War II.
Tell that to Hitler. He supported the individual wealth of the Krupp family but World War II ITSELF was not for the common good. There would not have BEEN a World War II if the common good was the goal.
Phat writes:
Its a good thing that *we* didn't take Henry's individual wealth and give it to FDR. He did it himself voluntarily.
How is it a "good thing" if he did it himself but not if "we" took it?
Phat writes:
Individual Wealth is good.
You say that without any evidence to support it.
Phat writes:
Don't believe everything you hear.
Look in the mirror.
Phat writes:
ringo writes:
Your beloved "offshore system" streals from the community wealth in favor of individual wealth.
You seem to believe the idea that there *should* be no individual wealth.
Stop dreaming about what "seems" to be and respond to what I actually said.
Phat writes:
And then you have the gall to trot out Jesus to support your warped far left Marxist views.
Nothing I have said is remotely far-left or Marxist.
And YOU have a lot of gall even mentioning Jesus when you spit on everything He said.
Phat writes:
Am I wrong?
Yes.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 498 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 164 of 302 (903442)
12-10-2022 11:57 AM
Reply to: Message 161 by Phat
12-10-2022 11:40 AM


Re: Mono-Secularism *is* a One World Government.
Phat writes:
ringo writes:
I AM an individual, you moron. How can you support me against myself?
That's what the antichrist will do.
Again, you quote me and then go off on a tangent that has nothing to do with what I said. The anti-christ will not change the meaning of words.
Phat writes:
He will argue that since Jesus never existed...
No. He obviously will not. He will pretend to BE Jesus.
Phat writes:
... *we* must all be moral individuals...
Do you disagree with that?
Phat writes:
... and we *must* support the collective...
We must render unto Caesar. (But the Jesus in your head never said that either, I suppose.)
Phat writes:
... (One World Government)
We already have one, by the way, the United Nations, which has done a lot of good in the world, despite the idiots who try to thwart it.
And your hatred of governments in general is well-known. It does you no credit.
Phat writes:
This whole idea that there is (or should be) no individual wealth ...
Who said that?
This is what I mean about you spouting right-wing propaganda. THEY say that's what I think and you swallow it hook, line and sinker without paying the slightest attention to what I actually say.
Phat writes:
... and that we would be noble and honorable people if we supported the collective.
Are you saying it's a bad thing to be noble and honorable? Or are you saying that stealing from the collective to build our individual wealth is a good thing?
Phat writes:
It sounds good in theory but were such a government authoritarian and dictatorial (out of necessity, of course. ) we would have problems.
There is no reason to think that a government is "authoritarian" or "dictatorial" just because they disagree with you.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 498 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 166 of 302 (903444)
12-10-2022 11:59 AM
Reply to: Message 163 by Phat
12-10-2022 11:52 AM


Re: Understanding the purpose of government
Phat writes:
ringo writes:
Nothing I have said is remotely far-left or Marxist.
Interesting. What would you call it? Moderate?
I'd call it Christian.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 498 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 167 of 302 (903445)
12-10-2022 12:00 PM
Reply to: Message 165 by Phat
12-10-2022 11:57 AM


Re: What Is The Common Good?
Phat writes:
Explain to me how *we* could have achieved and implemented a common good that benefited Americans, Japanese, Germans and Russians all at the same time.
Duh! By destroying Nazism.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 498 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 170 of 302 (903450)
12-10-2022 12:06 PM
Reply to: Message 169 by Phat
12-10-2022 12:01 PM


Re: What Is The Common Good?
Phat writes:
So how could *we* have destroyed Naziism without World War II?
My point was that there would not have BEEN a World War II if Hitler hadn't been supported by individual wealth.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 498 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 180 of 302 (903482)
12-11-2022 1:24 PM
Reply to: Message 177 by Phat
12-10-2022 2:15 PM


Re: Understanding the purpose of government
Phat writes:
A man can never improve their wisdom or intelligence by being surrounded by a peanut gallery.
Peanut gallery seems to be another term that you don't understand. It refers to people who are not necessarily active in the debate but who comment among themselves about it. In Yiddish they're called kibitzers.
And of course it IS possible to improve your wisdom and/or intelligence by listening to the peanut gallery. You SHOULD be able to learn from ANYBODY.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 498 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 182 of 302 (903511)
12-12-2022 10:49 AM
Reply to: Message 181 by Phat
12-12-2022 3:28 AM


Re: Rabbit Trail: Follow the peanuts
Phat writes:
What I mean is that it is better to surround yourself with people who disagree with (and challenge) your biases and preconceived notions.
That is typical fake-Christian/creationist thinking - surround yourself with people who "don't understand" so you can feel superior. You don't use us to correct your biases and misconceptions. You use us to confirm them.
Phat writes:
That is why I call you guys the peanut gallery.
You should call us the peanut gallery because we ARE the peanut gallery, not because it's another term you don't understand.
Phat writes:
Occasionally you adopt them into your peanut gallery as a charter member...
A charter member and an adopted member are two different (mutually exclusive) things.
Phat writes:
... y'all have such strict rules...
No. We have NO rules. We may get to the same conclusions but its by different routes.
You should try to learn that when everybody in the room agrees but you, they might be right and you might be wrong.
Phat writes:
... I likely will never get added.
You ARE a member of the peanut gallery.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 498 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 191 of 302 (903707)
12-15-2022 12:48 PM
Reply to: Message 186 by Phat
12-15-2022 1:48 AM


Re: Red+Blue Makes Green?
Phat writes:
So by saying "no green seats" are you proclaiming, tongue-in-cheekily, that there is no middle ground for compromise between the two ideologies?
I thought he was referring to the Green Party.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 498 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 197 of 302 (904024)
12-20-2022 11:24 AM
Reply to: Message 196 by Phat
12-20-2022 10:54 AM


Re: Take Me To Your Liter
Phat writes:
... the future of our national leader has everything to do with a New World Order, economic or otherwise.
I have been re-reading a couple of books about Jim Keegstra. He was an Alberta teacher who was fired back in the 80s for teaching anti-Semitic conspiracy theories in his history class. He was later convicted under Canada's hate-speech law.
You sound a lot like him, with your obsession with the "New World Order" and "One World Government" and your disdain for secular humanism, socialism, etc. I felt like replying to the books: [qs=Phat]
Just to let you know who your bedfellows are.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 498 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 199 of 302 (904029)
12-20-2022 12:08 PM
Reply to: Message 198 by Theodoric
12-20-2022 12:01 PM


Re: Take Me To Your Liter
Theodoric writes:
Phat would embrace this guy.
They're singing from the same hymn-book anyway.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 498 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 222 of 302 (904208)
12-23-2022 11:05 AM
Reply to: Message 214 by Phat
12-22-2022 8:51 PM


Re: Candace Over AOC
Phat writes:
on my worst day I'd wipe the floor with that socialist.
And yet you never do.
I can SAY that I could make a million dollars in one day - but that claim doesn't mean anything unless I demonstrate it.
Demonstrate your claim by "wiping the floor" with ANYBODY. Demonstrate your claim by finding the floor, ffs.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 498 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 223 of 302 (904210)
12-23-2022 11:11 AM
Reply to: Message 217 by Phat
12-23-2022 1:44 AM


Re: Candace Over AOC
Phat writes:
Authoritarianism is more prevalent in the political Left than it is in the political Right.
I told you before to stop using that word until you understand what it means.
Phat writes:
You guys wave your hands and claim that you *have* to take charge to save the planet and the people...
Taking responsibility is not authoritarian by any stretch of the imagination.
Phat writes:
You disguise your authoritarianism under the guise of empathy and altruism.
How on earth could that "disguise" authoritarianism?

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 498 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 232 of 302 (904520)
12-31-2022 12:23 PM
Reply to: Message 229 by Rahvin
12-23-2022 1:47 PM


Re: Candace Over AOC
Rahvin writes:
The more "traditional" Republicans are at best trying to wait out the fascists while preserving their own power...
People need to read the history of the Weimar Republic.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 498 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 244 of 302 (904597)
01-02-2023 11:40 AM
Reply to: Message 236 by Phat
01-01-2023 1:49 AM


Re: Candace Over AOC
Phat writes:
... against conservative white males.
That's what racists always say. THEY are the victims. "Those damn black people getting their lawns in the way of our burning crosses." "Those damn Jews getting their synagogues in the way of our swastikas."
Phat writes:
I myself admit to having certain prejudices in life, but have never seen myself as racist.
Racists never do.
Phat writes:
Liberal women want to take over.
Conspiracy much?

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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