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ringo
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Message 46 of 69 (904018)
12-20-2022 11:05 AM
Reply to: Message 39 by Dredge
12-20-2022 4:06 AM


Dredge writes:
I posed a question ... evidenced by the "?" at the end of my sentence.
If you point a gun at a bank teller, it doesn't make any difference whether you say, "Give me the money!" or "Would you please give me the money?"

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
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Message 47 of 69 (904020)
12-20-2022 11:08 AM
Reply to: Message 44 by Dredge
12-20-2022 9:34 AM


Re: Guilty
Dredge writes:
In 1986, Pope Crazy (JP2) invited hundreds of leaders of all manner of non-Christian and pagan religions to pray with him in Assisi, Italy for world peace.
In 0, Jesus sat down with publicans and sinners and the Pharisees, like you, criticized Him.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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Dredge
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Message 48 of 69 (904026)
12-20-2022 11:29 AM
Reply to: Message 45 by Taq
12-20-2022 10:44 AM


I'm studying the evidence. Chicko is helping me.

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Dredge
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Message 49 of 69 (904034)
12-20-2022 2:33 PM
Reply to: Message 47 by ringo
12-20-2022 11:08 AM


Re: Guilty
ringo writes:
Jesus sat down with publicans and sinners and the Pharisees, like you, criticized Him.
Unlike Pope John Paul II, Jesus didn't encourage sinners to remain on whatever erroneous spiritual path they were on.
JP2 made a sacrilegious and shameful mockery of his duty to be a missionary for Christ. What a nutter.

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Dredge
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Message 50 of 69 (904035)
12-20-2022 2:34 PM
Reply to: Message 46 by ringo
12-20-2022 11:05 AM


What a terrible analogy.

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Theodoric
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Message 51 of 69 (904044)
12-20-2022 4:46 PM
Reply to: Message 49 by Dredge
12-20-2022 2:33 PM


Re: Guilty
Missionaries are vile, evil people.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 52 of 69 (904045)
12-20-2022 5:33 PM
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12-20-2022 2:33 PM


Oops
Double post

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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dwise1
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Message 53 of 69 (904050)
12-20-2022 7:44 PM
Reply to: Message 51 by Theodoric
12-20-2022 4:46 PM


Re: Guilty
Missionaries are vile, evil people.
For the same reason why proselytizers are vile, evil people. Their purpose and goal is to attack the beliefs of others in order to destroy those beliefs and replace them with their own.

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Dredge
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Message 54 of 69 (904059)
12-21-2022 4:20 AM
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12-20-2022 7:44 PM


Re: Guilty
dwide1 writes:
Their purpose and goal is to attack the beliefs of others in order to destroy those beliefs and replace them with their own.
The purpose and goal of Catholic missionaries was to destroy the false beliefs of others in order to replace them with true beliefs.
I say "was" bcoz, sadly, the mad Pope - John Paul II - destroyed the 2000 year-old missionary activities of the Catholic Church ... at least, until sanity and order is restored.

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Message 55 of 69 (904061)
12-21-2022 7:26 AM
Reply to: Message 54 by Dredge
12-21-2022 4:20 AM


Re: Guilty
The purpose and goal of Catholic missionaries was to destroy the false beliefs of others in order to replace them with true beliefs.
Spoken like a true christian nazi.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Dredge
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Message 56 of 69 (904063)
12-21-2022 8:55 AM
Reply to: Message 51 by Theodoric
12-20-2022 4:46 PM


Re: Guilty
Theodorkic writes:
Missionaries are vile, evil people.
“Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything that I have commanded you."
Matthew 28:19-20

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Phat
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Message 57 of 69 (904064)
12-21-2022 8:58 AM
Reply to: Message 44 by Dredge
12-20-2022 9:34 AM


False Religions,Fake Popes,and The Truth
Dredge writes:
I didn't see much Holy Spirit in JP2 (John Paul II) when he kissed the anti-Christ Koran in public. It looked more like the spirit of Satan to me.
You are too conservative on this one, in my opinion. Billy Graham, The Protestant Pope, was also a multi-culturalist yet was very effectively used by God to bring about peace and unity rather than division.
Granted, the counter-argument in religious debates will quote the Bible.
Matthew 10:34 but keep in mind that the division that Jesus brought was between the Holy Spirit (Himself) and the other fake spirits. Critics here at EvC always lambaste and mock me for daring to suggest that there even are fake "spirits" and to be fair, some of them (the demons, not the peanut gallery) occasionally use me too.
I believe, however, that we on this planet are involved in an evolving spiritual war. This iwar is within ourselves and our relationships with each other. (God first, each other second)
When Jesus was crucified He declared: It is finished! John 19:30
My belief is that the occupying army of spirits still has to be forcibly evicted from the human mind and heart.(sorta like how German troops had to be forcibly evicted from Europe even after D-Day. )
This process takes time and only God knows how much time it will take. Things will get worse before they get better. One other thing that you and I disagree on is the pre-eminence of the Roman Catholic Church over other forms of Protestantism. I believe that you (any individual believer) either have the Spirit or you don't. This includes Popes, Pastors, and Princes.
Critics will say that they used to be believers until they saw the true light of reason and evidence. There is natural light and spiritual light. The light shines in the darkness (yet) the darkness has not understood it.

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Phat
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Message 58 of 69 (904065)
12-21-2022 9:03 AM
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12-21-2022 8:55 AM


Vile and evil Christians
Theo would be impressed (perhaps) if he actually saw an honest Christian rather than a pretender. So many of us become corrupted by the propaganda of the enemy. And furthermore, Pogo was right!
You and I both are guilty of misrepresenting Jesus.

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Phat
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Message 59 of 69 (904066)
12-21-2022 9:14 AM
Reply to: Message 49 by Dredge
12-20-2022 2:33 PM


Re: Guilty
Dredge writes:
Unlike Pope John Paul II, Jesus didn't encourage sinners to remain on whatever erroneous spiritual path they were on.
Point noted, though the way I see it, Jesus treated people differently based on what they already knew.
One of my favorite scriptures is this:
In essence, the Disciples go out in public and relate to the people. If the people receive the Disciples, they receive Jesus(through the Holy Spirit) and if the people receive the Holy Spirit they receive GOD, Creator of all seen and unseen.
I think that God uses atheists and secular humanists to teach believers a thing or two.

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Message 60 of 69 (904070)
12-21-2022 10:44 AM
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12-21-2022 9:14 AM


Re: Guilty
One of my favourites
Kings 2:24
"So he turned around and looked at them, and pronounced a curse on them in the name of the LORD. And two female bears came out of the woods and mauled forty-two of the youths."
Suffer the little children...

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine.

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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