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sensei
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Message 376 of 507 (908216)
03-09-2023 12:57 PM
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03-09-2023 12:44 PM


Re: dishonesty is not a good look
You evolutionists seem to be doing it all the time here, claiming that the model is correct without doubt, because it fits data.

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Message 377 of 507 (908218)
03-09-2023 1:00 PM
Reply to: Message 376 by sensei
03-09-2023 12:57 PM


Re: dishonesty is not a good look
sensei writes:
You evolutionists seem to be doing it all the time here, claiming that the model is correct without doubt,
It isn't our fault that you misconstrue what we are saying.

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Message 378 of 507 (908219)
03-09-2023 1:02 PM
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03-09-2023 12:57 PM


Re: dishonesty is not a good look
You evolutionists seem to be doing it all the time here, claiming that the model is correct without doubt, because it fits data.
Mutate and Survive

On two occasions I have been asked, – "Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?" ... I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question. - Charles Babbage

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Taq
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Message 379 of 507 (908220)
03-09-2023 1:04 PM
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03-09-2023 12:49 PM


Re: dishonesty is not a good look
sensei writes:
Wrong. I reject your conclusions. Not the method of using models and predictions as one of the tools.
You can't seem to find any scientific reasons for rejecting our conclusions.
Not the method of using models and predictions as one of the tools.
You do reject those methods. You claim that finding a match between observations and predictions is "bad logic".

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sensei
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Message 380 of 507 (908223)
03-09-2023 1:08 PM
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03-09-2023 1:04 PM


Re: dishonesty is not a good look
Wrong again. Your claim that a good fit means that the model is the best, that is poor logic.
Maximum likelihood estimates are not always best, for example.
That does not mean that I'm against maximum likelihood methods in general. That means that I understand the methods and their strength and weaknesses, while you just make poor claims about them.

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Message 381 of 507 (908227)
03-09-2023 1:11 PM
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03-09-2023 1:08 PM


Re: dishonesty is not a good look
sensei writes:
Wrong again. Your claim that a good fit means that the model is the best, that is poor logic.
The best fit means the model is the best we have. How is that poor logic? Do you think the worst fitting model is the best model in science?
That means that I understand the methods and their strength and weaknesses, while you just make poor claims about them.
What poor claims?

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Message 382 of 507 (908237)
03-09-2023 3:17 PM
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03-09-2023 12:49 PM


Re: dishonesty is not a good look
Wrong. I reject your conclusions.
No. You reject all of science, the scientific method, and the tools used.
They show you the nested hierarchy and you reject it without evidence or logical reasoning.
They show you evolution and you reject it without evidence or logical reasoning.
The only way to reject the reality of evolution is to reject the science that shows it to you. You are an anti-science creationist. A religiously motivated denier of reality.
You keep showing us, again and yet again, sensei, you know nothing.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Message 383 of 507 (908240)
03-09-2023 3:29 PM
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03-09-2023 1:11 PM


Re: dishonesty is not a good look
If you only said that for the specified set of data, this hypothesis gives the best fit, then that would be fine. But you go further and claim that evolution universal common ancestry is a certainty.
That is not science. That is biased tunnel vision. I reject that.

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Message 384 of 507 (908241)
03-09-2023 3:32 PM
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03-09-2023 3:17 PM


Re: dishonesty is not a good look
Wrong. You don't seem to care about truth. But we knew that already.

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Message 385 of 507 (908242)
03-09-2023 3:36 PM
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03-09-2023 3:29 PM


Re: dishonesty is not a good look
sensei writes:
If you only said that for the specified set of data, this hypothesis gives the best fit, then that would be fine. But you go further and claim that evolution universal common ancestry is a certainty.
Common ancestry is as certain as germs causing disease, both of which are scientific conclusions based on mountains of evidence.
That is not science.
You reject science.

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AZPaul3
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Message 386 of 507 (908247)
03-09-2023 3:40 PM
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03-09-2023 3:29 PM


Re: dishonesty is not a good look
The preponderance of the evidence is so strong that in the pop vernacular the conclusion is certain. Science will maintain the philosophical tenet that all conclusions are tentative but for all practical uses common ancestry can only be denied by the intellectually deficient.
This is another one of those things you know nothing about, sensei.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Message 387 of 507 (908248)
03-09-2023 3:40 PM
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03-09-2023 3:36 PM


Re: dishonesty is not a good look
This answers your message 377.

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sensei
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Message 388 of 507 (908250)
03-09-2023 3:42 PM
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03-09-2023 3:40 PM


Re: dishonesty is not a good look
Quite the opposite. Evidence for common ancestry is very weak.

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Taq
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Message 389 of 507 (908251)
03-09-2023 3:45 PM
Reply to: Message 388 by sensei
03-09-2023 3:42 PM


Re: dishonesty is not a good look
sensei writes:
Quite the opposite. Evidence for common ancestry is very weak.
Really? This is what you said about the evidence I posted in the "Mutations Confirm Common Descent" thread:
"It seems like a good argument for common ancestry of primates, ngl. Though I haven't looked at all of your sources yet, you made a convincing argument."
There are many, many more examples of evidence that support common ancestry.

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AZPaul3
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Message 390 of 507 (908253)
03-09-2023 3:49 PM
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03-09-2023 3:42 PM


Re: dishonesty is not a good look
Evidence for common ancestry is very weak.
You don't even know what the evidence for common descent is. You most certainly cannot claim it weak. Again, sensei, you know nothing.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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