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sensei Member Posts: 343 Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
You evolutionists seem to be doing it all the time here, claiming that the model is correct without doubt, because it fits data.
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Taq Member Posts: 9664 Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
sensei writes: You evolutionists seem to be doing it all the time here, claiming that the model is correct without doubt, It isn't our fault that you misconstrue what we are saying.
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Granny Magda Member Posts: 2415 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.7 |
You evolutionists seem to be doing it all the time here, claiming that the model is correct without doubt, because it fits data.
Mutate and SurviveOn two occasions I have been asked, – "Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?" ... I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question. - Charles Babbage
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Taq Member Posts: 9664 Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
sensei writes: Wrong. I reject your conclusions. Not the method of using models and predictions as one of the tools. You can't seem to find any scientific reasons for rejecting our conclusions.
Not the method of using models and predictions as one of the tools. You do reject those methods. You claim that finding a match between observations and predictions is "bad logic".
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sensei Member Posts: 343 Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Wrong again. Your claim that a good fit means that the model is the best, that is poor logic.
Maximum likelihood estimates are not always best, for example. That does not mean that I'm against maximum likelihood methods in general. That means that I understand the methods and their strength and weaknesses, while you just make poor claims about them.
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Taq Member Posts: 9664 Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
sensei writes: Wrong again. Your claim that a good fit means that the model is the best, that is poor logic. The best fit means the model is the best we have. How is that poor logic? Do you think the worst fitting model is the best model in science?
That means that I understand the methods and their strength and weaknesses, while you just make poor claims about them. What poor claims?
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 7857 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 2.9 |
Wrong. I reject your conclusions. No. You reject all of science, the scientific method, and the tools used. They show you the nested hierarchy and you reject it without evidence or logical reasoning. They show you evolution and you reject it without evidence or logical reasoning. The only way to reject the reality of evolution is to reject the science that shows it to you. You are an anti-science creationist. A religiously motivated denier of reality. You keep showing us, again and yet again, sensei, you know nothing.Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
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sensei Member Posts: 343 Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
If you only said that for the specified set of data, this hypothesis gives the best fit, then that would be fine. But you go further and claim that evolution universal common ancestry is a certainty.
That is not science. That is biased tunnel vision. I reject that.
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sensei Member Posts: 343 Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Wrong. You don't seem to care about truth. But we knew that already.
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Taq Member Posts: 9664 Joined: Member Rating: 3.2
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sensei writes: If you only said that for the specified set of data, this hypothesis gives the best fit, then that would be fine. But you go further and claim that evolution universal common ancestry is a certainty. Common ancestry is as certain as germs causing disease, both of which are scientific conclusions based on mountains of evidence.
That is not science. You reject science.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 7857 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 2.9 |
The preponderance of the evidence is so strong that in the pop vernacular the conclusion is certain. Science will maintain the philosophical tenet that all conclusions are tentative but for all practical uses common ancestry can only be denied by the intellectually deficient.
This is another one of those things you know nothing about, sensei.Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
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sensei Member Posts: 343 Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
This answers your message 377.
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sensei Member Posts: 343 Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Quite the opposite. Evidence for common ancestry is very weak.
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Taq Member Posts: 9664 Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
sensei writes: Quite the opposite. Evidence for common ancestry is very weak. Really? This is what you said about the evidence I posted in the "Mutations Confirm Common Descent" thread: "It seems like a good argument for common ancestry of primates, ngl. Though I haven't looked at all of your sources yet, you made a convincing argument." There are many, many more examples of evidence that support common ancestry.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 7857 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 2.9 |
Evidence for common ancestry is very weak. You don't even know what the evidence for common descent is. You most certainly cannot claim it weak. Again, sensei, you know nothing.Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
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