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Omnivorous
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Message 3706 of 3743 (918891)
06-07-2024 6:30 AM
Reply to: Message 3704 by candle2
06-06-2024 5:54 PM


Re: Fundie cat fight over made-up stuff
candle2 writes:
If it cannot be explained by natural means, the only
thing left is supernatural.
Our distant ancestors--oh, say 5,000 years ago--could explain almost nothing about natural causes.
Things change.
quote:
I am simply showing the supernatural without using the
Bible.
You are showing the same simple-minded superstition that you bring to the Bible.

"If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."

Homo sum, humani nihil a me alienum puto.
-Terence


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Message 3707 of 3743 (918892)
06-07-2024 6:43 AM
Reply to: Message 3704 by candle2
06-06-2024 5:54 PM


Re: Fundie cat fight over made-up stuff
Are you serious? Like, is this a serious challenge? Next to the thousands of videos on youtube you can find about "Appearing magic card trick", I could explain it here right now.
Sleight of hand, you know, misdirection. Magicians are very skilled in not showing what they're actually doing with their hands and body in order to fool people.
They definitely fool you with it.
Here's a guy that shows his tricks and explains how YOU can do them, careful though, you might find out there's nothing supernatural about it, pulling you into reality a bit further.

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Message 3708 of 3743 (918897)
06-07-2024 1:23 PM
Reply to: Message 3701 by Zucadragon
06-06-2024 12:24 PM


Re: Fundie cat fight over made-up stuff
Zucadrago, you wrote:
"You realize that this is sleight of hand right? Magicians
are skilled in taking actions out of sight so it seems like
things appear and disappear magical."
***Yes, we all understand this, but some things are not
possible without supernatural assistance.
Tell me how a man can hold his hand in the air and
card after card after card after card instantly appear in
It. Give us a natural explanation for it.
You can't, because there is no natural explanation for it.
I am not gullible enough to think they have are this "sleight
of hand."
Tell me how, without supernatural assistance, that a
magician can get a light bulb to glow and then float
among the audience for several minutes before
returning to him.
I could make a very long list, but if you cannot offer even
the slightest possibility to explain these two, you certainly
cannot help with the more difficult ones.
As I said before slow it down and you will see that the
cards just appear in their hand out of nowhere.
It is laughable to suggest sleight of hand can do this.

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Message 3709 of 3743 (918899)
06-07-2024 3:57 PM
Reply to: Message 3701 by Zucadragon
06-06-2024 12:24 PM


Re: Fundie cat fight over made-up stuff
Zucadrago, you wrote:
"When though? When exactly, oh that is unclear, not said.
So it's a lousy prediction, I can do the same you know,
predict that Africa becomes a world dominating power,
or India or Japan."
***God his allowing humans 6000 years to try every
type and form of government immagional.
Adam and Eve decided that they, themselves, would
detetmine what is good or bad. They did not want telling
them how to live.
God would show them the way to achieve true happiness
but they did not want this.
At the end of the 6000 years things are so bad that if
Jesus delayed His coming any longer that there would be
no flesh left alive.
We will have learned that in order to achieve true happiness
we would have to trust God to guide us. We will no longer
need to take His word for it, we will have seen it first
hand
.
The 6000 years are aost up. Many alive today will witness
the return of the German military might.
Germany realized that they could very well lose WW2. They
moved much of their resources to other places. Many
Germany businesses,such as Messerschmitt, Mercedes-Benz,
etc,... moved their resources to other countries.
Many of their generals and other higher-ups went
underground.
At the end if WW2 Germany did not say goodbye; they
said goodbye for now.
Germany has been building its military again. They have
weaponry of the highest quality. We do not know all they
have.
God used Assyria to punish Israel in 721 BC. Germany
fought against the Jews (Judah), and the birthright
Israel (U.S. & Great Britain) in WW2.
God will use Assyria (Germany) to punish Israel one more.
America and the British Commonwealth have become a
stench in God's nostrils.
Germany has slowly made pacts and treaties for territories
near the Middle East.
After WW2, a defeated Germany, in just 20 years, once
again became the most powerful military power in the
world.
Germany will be the head of the 10 nation beast power.
The second beast in Revelations 13 is non other than
Pope and the Roman Catholic Church.
I could write many pages on why this is so, but you want
to know when. I doubt than we have more than 20 years.
Now suppose you tell me when (within 20 years) that
Africa, India, and Japan will become world dominating
powers.

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Message 3710 of 3743 (918900)
06-07-2024 4:19 PM
Reply to: Message 3701 by Zucadragon
06-06-2024 12:24 PM


Re: Fundie cat fight over made-up stuff
Zucadrago, the tricks that are actually tricks are not too
difficult to figure out.
The ones that require supernatural help are impossible to
explain naturally.
Magicians sometimes will show us the secret to certain
tricks. This is to have us believe that all magic is
performed by natural means.
Not all magicians have made pacts with demons. In fact,
the percentage is quite low.
But, demons make pacts with certain individuals. They
want us to believe that Jesus was just a magician.

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Message 3711 of 3743 (918901)
06-07-2024 4:58 PM
Reply to: Message 3710 by candle2
06-07-2024 4:19 PM


Re: Fundie cat fight over made-up stuff
You didn't check any of the videos I showed to you or recommend to you, did you? Because you wouldn't be saying the things, asking the silly questions you just did in your responses if you did.
Show me a video of something you find supernatural, a magicians trick that you find impossible, because you claim that 'most' things are easy to get.. So show me one you do not so we can have a direct confrontation with one of those, instead of this vague stuff that leaves me to believe you don't put your time into trying to understand the things you don't understand right now.
Show me a trick you believe to be supernatural.

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Message 3712 of 3743 (918903)
06-07-2024 6:08 PM
Reply to: Message 3708 by candle2
06-07-2024 1:23 PM


Re: Fundie cat fight over made-up stuff
candle2 writes in Message 3708:
Tell me how a man can hold his hand in the air and card after card after card after card instantly appear in It. Give us a natural explanation for it.
Right, exactly. And how about a natural explanation for pulling nickels out of your ear? And how did David Copperfield make the Statue of Liberty disappear? No way that wasn't magic!
--Percy

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Message 3713 of 3743 (918908)
06-08-2024 3:53 AM
Reply to: Message 3708 by candle2
06-07-2024 1:23 PM


Re: Fundie cat fight over made-up stuff
ell me how a man can hold his hand in the air and
card after card after card after card instantly appear in
It. Give us a natural explanation for it.

You can't, because there is no natural explanation for it.
Fingerfertigkeit, AKA "sleight of hand". Coupled with misdirection and proper setup (preparation). My father taught me that if you and a partner both watch the magician's act with each closely watching his assigned hand ("You take the left and I'll take the right.") then you can figure out most of those tricks.
Similarly, on a Penn and Teller show Teller was leaning against a lamppost smoking a cigarette, tossing it away, and then magically producing another lit cigarette "out of thin air." Or in Airplane! the doctor is treating a woman with eggs coming out of her mouth: as soon as he removes one and transfers it to his coat pocket, another one comes out of her mouth, one after the other.
For that matter, I recall that on some of Penn and Teller's shows they revealed the secret behind many such tricks. You should watch their shows or at least YouTube videos from them. Similarly, in a base rec center show, Lou Zocchi taught us how to throw invisible objects and catch them in a paper bag (lunch size) -- it's their landing in the bag with noise and displacement of the bag that showed that those invisible objects existed and had mass. Or did they?
A professional magician will not normally reveal the secrets to his tricks, since those tricks are how he makes his living. Though Harry Anderson of the original Night Court, also a professional magician, did a trick in which he made cards instantly appear in his hand and then explained how he had done it. Disrobing, he revealed mechanisms strapped to his forearms for feeding those cards into his hand. And he had other mechanisms strapped to the rest of his body for controlling the forearm mechanisms such that the whole thing was overly complicated and resembled a Rube Goldberg contraption, hence the joke.
Yes, of course that joke went right over your head. But just because you with your limited mental facilities and hyper-gullibility cannot explain how the trick was done, that does not mean that real magic was at play.
I am not gullible enough to think they have are this "sleight
of hand."
That's what it is, with accompanying hardware. Remember that Fingerfertigkeit is a skill that must be mastered and practiced (hence its appearance of being magical, since rubes like you cannot do it yourself, lacking even the basic components of that skill), but magic tricks also depend on physical hardware and mechanisms, especially the most dramatic ones.
There most often hardware involved and not just "software" (ie, the Fingerfertigkeit skills et alia). Imagine demanding a musician to play a song, but without his instrument. That would be like demanding a magician to perform a major trick without any of his "props".
Nobody is saying that "sleight of hand" alone can explain a magic trick, except for you.
But the question not being so simple as you represent it does not "prove" the supernatural. Or were you attempting to perform some "sleight of logic" on us in an attempt to sneak something past us?
But on the question of your gullibility (which you have consistently demonstrated over an extended period of time to be extremely high), would you be interested in buying the Brooklyn Bridge? I can sell it to you for $100.
Tell me how, without supernatural assistance, that a
magician can get a light bulb to glow and then float
among the audience for several minutes before
returning to him.
Jessica H. Christ! (Follow that link for some interesting (and Christian-friendly) information I gleaned researching the question of "Why 'H'?")
Are you sure you don't want to buy that bridge from me?
{ ... sigh ... }
Being such an idiot, you have no idea how much work and effort it takes to try to explain something to an idiot, such as yourself.
OK, the "light bulb to glow" part.
I grew up (1951-1976) in Orange County, Calif., less than 10 miles from Disneyland (opened 1955, we both kind of grew up together). Grad Night at Disneyland was a big thing and I partook both when I graduated from high school, but also earlier when we had been "promoted" out of jr.high and into high school. And since those special-party nights removed the need for tickets (think, "E-Ticket Ride") and allowed unlimited rides (something common and expected now, but not back then), getting hooked into one of those special parties was highly desirable.
So at the end of my "Promotion Night" (high school graduates get to stay in the park all night, but not for us coming up from the lower grades, who only got the evening), I was waiting on the bus. The kid behind me was showing off his purchase from the Main Street Magic Shop, a light bulb that will illuminate with absolutely no external power source. All you had to do was to short out the two external contacts (look at the base of a light bulb!) and it would illuminate.
It's a standard magic prop! That even rube tourists could buy. Half a century ago!
Indeed, what about Uncle Fester in the original TV series, The Addams Family? Highly eccentric uncle in a highly eccentric family, which makes him even more eccentric. In that original series, Uncle Fester would stick a light bulb in his mouth and it would illuminate.
"Whoever heard of a light bulb glowing with no power?" Everybody who has ever watched The Addams Family.
No problem there.
" ... float among the audience for several minutes before returning to him."
You seem to imply "unsuspended", but why? And how could you verify that they weren't suspended?
One of my co-workers had been a Marine in Nam, doing patrols. Part of the Soviet support of the VC was to supply them with monofilament nylon line, what most Americans now use as fish line. So Charlie put that nylon line to use as invisible trip wires for their anti-personnel traps. In the daylight you could hardly see it, so in the dark, you had no chance. But in that very high humidity, droplets of water would condense on the nylon line making it visible, which brought that Marine back home.
But in other conditions, largely due to lighting, the invisibility can be maintained. Especially if that lighting setup had been deliberately designed to accomplish that task.
Yet again, no problem there.
So then, we have a light bulb able to glow on its own and we have a suspending line that nobody will be able to see.
So then, what's the problem supposed to be? How is any part of that supposed to be evidence for the supernatural?
 
Face it, candle2. You've been deceived, you stupid rube.
If you have some actual or valid evidence for the supernatural then do please simply present it. Couldn't be that difficult, right?

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Message 3714 of 3743 (918913)
06-08-2024 9:07 AM
Reply to: Message 3713 by dwise1
06-08-2024 3:53 AM


Re: Fundie cat fight over made-up stuff
This reminds me of a simple magic trick I bought and learned to do about pfff, 12 years ago or something, I was at the airport, and this guy opened a packet of chips and before my eyes, one chip just started floating up out of the packet and right to his mouth. His hand was holding the packet though and his other hand wasn't anywhere closeby to somehow hold a string or anything like this.
I was mesmerized, I thought "Woah, magic" and this guy was selling a guide on how to do this.
I bought this guide, but the trick was a lot simpler than I could've imagined, because the guide game with a bundle of string that if you pulled one single thread away from it, it was invisible to the eye, that's how thing it was. And instead of just holding that string with your hand, you instead pulled it over your head and you could attack it anywhere with some movements freedom, be it a hand or even your foot.
Sitting there, he was shifting his foot forward, which tugged the string along his back, over his head and tugged that chip up which he had previously with a tiny drop of edible, see through gum.
He would make a show of it too, bringing both hands around the chip, moving it like he was going all the way over and around, but he was carefully avoiding the string, but to any onlooker, it looked like he was showing off that there was no string.
But yeah, it was a simple trick, and with those strings in my possession, I showed it off to a few friends after I had practiced, they were amazed, but I have to admit, it also felt a bit like a let down to me, because it wasn't actually magic. It was just a trick with a string that was invisible to the eye.

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Message 3715 of 3743 (918916)
06-08-2024 4:47 PM
Reply to: Message 3714 by Zucadragon
06-08-2024 9:07 AM


Re: Fundie cat fight over made-up stuff
I bought this guide, but the trick was a lot simpler than I could've imagined, because the guide game with a bundle of string that if you pulled one single thread away from it, it was invisible to the eye, that's how thing it was.
That reminded me of Penn & Teller's treatment of their "invisible thread" trick, which I had seen on TV long ago, but just now found on YouTube:
Only in this case the "invisible thread" doesn't even exist, but rather it's just part of setting up the trick. Kind of like our game of invisible catch using paper lunch bags: you hold the bag open by its edge and when you "catch" the invisibile object you snap your finger to emulate the "object" hitting the bag. When Lou Zocchi (yes, he of Gamescience dice fame) taught us that trick, he told of a group having done it in a park and an on-looker kept straining his eyes trying to see those objects; he had been completely fooled by the trick, like candle2 would have been (except he would have been performed rites to ward off the "demons").
And instead of just holding that string with your hand, you instead pulled it over your head and you could attack it anywhere with some movements freedom, be it a hand or even your foot.

Sitting there, he was shifting his foot forward, which tugged the string along his back, over his head and tugged that chip up which he had previously with a tiny drop of edible, see through gum.

He would make a show of it too, bringing both hands around the chip, moving it like he was going all the way over and around, but he was carefully avoiding the string, but to any onlooker, it looked like he was showing off that there was no string.
And since your attention was directed towards his hands and the chips, you didn't notice him moving his foot. Misdirection.
In class the other day, we discussed the "Monkey Business" video:
You're given the task of counting how many times something happens (eg, given a group of six, three wearing white t-shirts and three wearing black and each subgroup having a basketball, how many times the white team pass the ball to each other as they are moving about), so you don't notice when someone wearing a full body gorilla costume enters, stands in the midst of the group to beat his chest, and exits. Among a few other things that change. There are many variations to this experiment; eg, a stranger asks you for directions but workers carrying some cut between you and after they pass you continue giving the guy directions without noticing that it's a completely different person dressed completely differently.
Same thing in that while one thing has your attention, you fail to notice other things regardless of how blatantly apparent they are. That explains my father's advice of watching a magician as a team with each person paying attention to something different -- eg, have people watching other parts of his body, like his feet, so they can notice him moving that -- so that the team can then piece together how he did it.
I'm a retired engineer (AKA "Intelligent Designer"). I'm also an engineer by nature in that when I see something my first impulse is to ask and then figure out how it works. That includes watching magic tricks.
In contrast, candle2 is a superstitious primitive who doesn't even know that he should ask how something works, but rather he just accepts it as magic. Instead of seeing a universe operating through natural processes, he's an animist who sees himself surrounded by spirits and demons. I've mentioned a Mexican expression, "It's been a long time since we've worn feathers.", but candle2 hasn't even gotten to wearing feathers yet. If we cannot reduce our explanations down to the low level of his language (eg, "Ooga booga!" -- or "Uga buga" in non-English Germanic spelling) then he will refuse to even try to listen.
His reaction reminds me of Clarke's Third Law: "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." Wikipedia illustrates it with a quote from a book about a character from the past encountering technology of the present (well of 1928):
quote:
Then she got into the lift, for the good reason that the door stood open; and was shot smoothly upwards. The very fabric of life now, she thought as she rose, is magic. In the eighteenth century, we knew how everything was done; but here I rise through the air; I listen to voices in America; I see men flying – but how it's done I can't even begin to wonder. So my belief in magic returns.
Still, it is astounding to discover such mindless primitives as candle2 in our midst.
 
I'll post Clarke's Three Laws here, since my own memory replaces the Second Law with the second half of the First Law:
  1. When a distinguished but elderly scientist states that something is possible, he is almost certainly right. When he states that something is impossible, he is very probably wrong.
  2. The only way of discovering the limits of the possible is to venture a little way past them into the impossible.
  3. Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.
I think that a lot of people misremember the Second Law in the same way as I do, which is a pity since it is a very good one.

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Message 3716 of 3743 (918917)
06-08-2024 5:57 PM
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06-08-2024 4:47 PM


Re: Fundie cat fight over made-up stuff
I can only concur, when you started talking about those sort of distraction methods, I immediately thought about the videos where people were asking someone directions and in the middle getting interrupted only for the folk dealing with someone else who continues to explain and help them out with their directions, eventhough clothes, skin color, everything was different. Sometimes they'd be confused, but then most times still, they just accepted it.
And then you point that specific trick out right here, awesome stuff!
I definitely remember the monkey trick as well, and there's other tricks I myself have used as a scout leader to wow the girl scouts I lead at camps and stuff.
Mind tricks mostly, from a simple one where I have the whole group imagine a certain amount of things, like big bags of fruit, baskets with melons in them, etc for a little while, only to ask them to think of a number between 0 - 10. And then I'll guess 3 and a bunch of them will be like okay, that's my number. So I guess 7 as well, and more will have that number. It's a cheap trick, because really, there's various factors that push people to think of 3 and 7 as the most random numbers. Most even numbers are off the table from the start, and 1 is not someone most would pick.
In the end, there's not a lot of numbers left, giving a statistically high chance of people picking 3 or 7 as their number.
This trick obviously only works when they're not aware of this fact, you can do it once, much like the next one.
You tell a person you're going to ask them a series of questions, and they have to answer immediately, not think about it, ruminate or anything, answer immediately.
Okay.
So you ask them, in a meadow there are four white refridgerators in a row.
Which color is the first?
They're answer white, of course.
Which color is the second, third, fourth, going through them all.
Every answer is white.
Okiedoke, so what does a cow drink?
And most of the time, almost always, they'll answer with "Milk" because the connection of white, meadow, cow, it all leads to milk as the answer, to which you can say "No, they drink water, a calf drinks milk"
It's fun stuff, but it really shows that the mind is very open to being manipulated.

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Message 3717 of 3743 (918922)
06-08-2024 8:39 PM
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06-08-2024 5:57 PM


Re: Fundie cat fight over made-up stuff
It's the irrelevancies that are assigned importance that get me. I'm reminded of how word problems like this:
quote:
A locomotive weighs 200 tons. It travels along a track that can support 400 tons at a rate of 45 miles per hour for 120 minutes but crosses a bridge that can only support 300 tons. How far has the train traveled?
Will throw some people into a complete tizzy.
--Percy

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Message 3718 of 3743 (918925)
06-09-2024 1:59 AM
Reply to: Message 3717 by Percy
06-08-2024 8:39 PM


Re: Fundie cat fight over made-up stuff
Will throw some people into a complete tizzy.
Well yeah! Because the unspoken question...how much weight in the train can a locomotive pull? I remember seeing trains carrying some kind of ore from mines in the Canadian Rockies that had hundreds of cars with six engines in the front and six in the middle and another six at the end. One place we camped on a 1983 road trip had trains running all night long on the other side of a wild river...
Oh my, you're right, what a tizzy!
It's the irrelevancies that are assigned importance that get me.
Me too. Candle is the first adult that I have heard/read saying they actually believe there are magicians doing "real magic" with the help of a supernatural entertainer, that I think really believes it. I mean, HOLY CRAP this is a grownup! It's like everything everyone here says, goes right over his head.

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Message 3719 of 3743 (918926)
06-09-2024 6:02 AM
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Re: Fundie cat fight over made-up stuff
Tanypteryx writes in Message 3718:
Me too. Candle is the first adult that I have heard/read saying they actually believe there are magicians doing "real magic" with the help of a supernatural entertainer, that I think really believes it. I mean, HOLY CRAP this is a grownup! It's like everything everyone here says, goes right over his head.
Perhaps we should be respectful and not mention SC or the EB or the TF.
--Percy

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Message 3720 of 3743 (918930)
06-09-2024 11:32 AM
Reply to: Message 3719 by Percy
06-09-2024 6:02 AM


Re: Fundie cat fight over made-up stuff
Perhaps we should be respectful and not mention SC or the EB or the TF.
Ok, I got South Carolina and Electron Beam, but TF doesn't make any sense at all.

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