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nwr
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Message 2266 of 2275 (908458)
03-15-2023 8:07 PM
Reply to: Message 2263 by GDR
03-15-2023 7:10 PM


That's an appallingly bad argument (by CS Lewis).
"Truth" is a human concept. If he wants to say that humans are an accident, then he should also be saying that the existence of the concept of truth is an accident.

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Message 2267 of 2275 (908459)
03-15-2023 8:10 PM
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03-15-2023 8:07 PM


Very good, sir. Then so is the concept of god. God is a mental accident.
I could actually agree with that.

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Message 2268 of 2275 (908466)
03-15-2023 10:16 PM
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03-15-2023 8:07 PM


All of the arguments of CS Lewis are bad. I am amazed that anyone would think he was some sort if brilliant philosopher. His arguments are no better than those of a freshman philosophy student.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 2269 of 2275 (908468)
03-15-2023 10:35 PM
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03-15-2023 10:16 PM


All of the arguments of CS Lewis are bad.
For that matter, all apologetics arguments are bad.
This is what happens when they have no actual evidence to support their arguments.

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Message 2270 of 2275 (908477)
03-16-2023 3:38 AM
Reply to: Message 2263 by GDR
03-15-2023 7:10 PM


GDR writes:
However, I stumbled on a CS Lewis quote, ….
Oh good, more evidence-free waffle and the fallacy of personal incredulity thrown in for free.
The fact that Lewis, you and me find our existence incredible does not mean goddidit.
Nor does it mean that a God came to earth as a Jewish man to redeem us of our sins, was killed and sprang back to life only to disappear into the clouds to be never seen or heard of again. Now THAT is unbelievable.
It's not even a logical thought process. Why isn't it more incredible that a god did it all? After all a god that could make 'life the universe and everything' that you simply can't believe could have come about naturally must be even more unbelievable.
You can't answer the problem of infinite regress by planting an artificial full stop in mid sentence. Lewis is utterly clueless, god knows why you're so impressed by him, I suppose it's because you think he says the things you believe in better. Well he might do, but what he says is still fallacy-ridden nonsense.

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Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
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Message 2271 of 2275 (908479)
03-16-2023 3:58 AM
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03-16-2023 3:38 AM


In fairness GDR is not at all good at rational argument. He cannot tell the difference between “A does not disprove B” and “A is evidence FOR B”.

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Message 2272 of 2275 (908502)
03-16-2023 7:11 AM
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03-15-2023 7:33 PM


Respond As The Spirit Moves You (or not)
AZspirits-r-us writes:
Respond as the spirit moves you or not.
Give GDR a break. He is in essence working out his beliefs and testing them against the unemotional impassive intelligence of the peanut gallery. You are right in that we *should* be having fun here. Already I miss ringo. He showed up every day to answer every post that was directed at him. He and I never agreed, but it was fun to attempt to frame and re-frame my (hopefully lighthearted) arguments which he would promptly demolish again and again. I sincerely hope that he is ok and is just taking a break from the crazy that can be this place! If any of you know how to get in touch with him, let us know if he is ok or not. Canada has a reasonably priced health care system, but he may need help. Now...about the ether. (Either Orrrr) What were you saying, EZPaul3?
AZ writes:
There are no requirements to respond here.
True, but if one simply trolls and then crawls back under their rock, they are employing hit and run tactics to our scintillating discussion!
AZSoulTrain writes:
This is supposed to be fun. (but?) I will not be offended if you ignore my ravings to follow your (religiously injured) heart.
The national peanut gallery used to call liberals "bleeding Hearts". Does anyone know where the term originated? Lets throw that one on the pile along with "woke". We can define them later if we have any time!

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Message 2273 of 2275 (908511)
03-16-2023 7:53 AM
Reply to: Message 2268 by Theodoric
03-15-2023 10:16 PM


Introducing The Cosmic Skeptic
Theo writes:
All of the arguments of CS Lewis are bad. I am amazed that anyone would think he was some sort if brilliant philosopher. His arguments are no better than those of a freshman philosophy student.
Speaking of student philosophers, allow me to introduce
Alex O'Connor, the one and only Cosmic Skeptic!
https://youtu.be/QqasvA9gba8
Alex has some compelling arguments.

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Message 2274 of 2275 (908521)
03-16-2023 9:37 AM
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03-16-2023 7:53 AM


Re: Introducing The Cosmic Skeptic
Why do you keep posting links to videos? Most if us do not watch videos. If you cannot make the argument don't post the video.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 2275 of 2275 (908550)
03-16-2023 4:57 PM
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03-15-2023 1:33 AM


Re: AI AI OH!
Phat writes:
Science will never have the computing power to even define the parameters of such a "thing". Science will never have the capability to gather the evidence required.
"Heavier than air flying craft are impossible."--Lord Kelvin, 1895

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