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nwr Member Posts: 6296 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 4.5
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You and others generally say that you have no beliefs, so you really have no position to defend. You simply reject the views and beliefs of others. Kinda the easy way out. Resisting peer pressure does not seem like an "easy way out."
However you still presumably have a world view of life based on something. Do you believe that your world view to be true? I don't see a world view (if there is such a thing) as either true or false. There is no standard by which its truth or falsity can be judged.--> -->Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity --> -->
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Tangle Member Posts: 8946 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 3.9
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GDR writes: You and others generally say that you have no beliefs, so you really have no position to defend. Of course we have beliefs! We're not bloody androids; atheists are fully featured humans with the same set of emotions and feelings that you have. WE JUST DON'T BELIEVE IN GODS. You know, exactly like we don't believe if fairies. It has exactly the same effect and meaning in our lives as not believing in elves - ie none whatsoever. I wish you guys could absorb that fact.
You simply reject the views and beliefs of others. Kinda the easy way out. Yeh right, refusing to go to church as a young teenager was really easy! Pretending to pray in school actually WAS easy but just made the whole thing laughable, listening to those stupid, cringeworthy words. But it wasn't a choice not to believe, it just became an obviously stupid thing to do, so that was that. But generally, I think you'll find that going along with the flow is a helluva lot easier than fighting against it.
However you still presumably have a world view of life based on something. Do you believe that your world view to be true? 'A world view'. It sounds so legitimate doesn't it? So neat and tidy, a simple summation of everything a person believes, prefers, likes and dislikes. A credo. A set of cliches by which to live our lives. Look, people are complicated things, they have complex and contradictory ideas about life that religions try to organise for them. It's simple to have a 'world view' when your life is governed by an all seeing, retribution driven, dictator that 'loves' you and a human theistic belief structure to handle the human side of things. I believe in the institutions humans have created to make our lives better - democracy, a pleural, regulated economy, a health service free at the point of need, life-long education, a balanced and independent criminal justice system, economic fairness and freedom from poverty and all forms of discrimination. I believe in a progressive taxation system that distributes wealth in as fair a way as possible. I believe in safe and warm housing for all. I believe that the polluter should pay and that Trump is a twat. I could go on, but you could sum it up with "I believe in 'do as you would be done by' but do it by building strong, independent, secular institutions to make it happen". No god is going to step in and actually do something to help, ie fix everything he broke 'in the beginning'. Edited by Tangle, . Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine. "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
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Phat Member Posts: 17481 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Our Tangled Fisherman writes: Silly Rabbit! No god is going to step in and actually do something to help, ie fix everything he broke 'in the beginning'. ![]() ![]()
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Tangle Member Posts: 8946 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 3.9
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I think I mentioned that I don't believe in fairies and elves. That goes for all the other childish fantasies that you still hold too.
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine. "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 7857 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 2.9
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How does one give multiple cheers?
Here Tangle. These are for you.
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 3885 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.7
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Does it ever occur to you to just shut-the fuck-up once in a while?
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned! What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Phat Member Posts: 17481 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Tangle writes: You may not believe in gravity either for all I know...but just trying stepping off of the roof. I think I mentioned that I don't believe in fairies and elves. Just as the illusion that is the global fiat money system (that floats the worlds currencies,) what goes up MUST come down. Did you ever play Rock,Paper,Scissors? The paper smothers the rock. In a fire, however, the paper burns up and the rock remains. That is the essence of your fantasy.
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Phat Member Posts: 17481 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Damselfly writes: Occasionally. Fish gotta swim, birds gotta fly, and all of us seem to have to type. Does it ever occur to you to just shut-the fuck-up once in a while? Its the birds and the bees and the Dragons and the Damsels. You cant argue with reality.
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 3885 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.7 |
You should check your meds and sugar level.
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned! What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Phat Member Posts: 17481 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
OK. *pulls out meter* ... 199 right now. (12:54 pm on 3/5/23
My overall average is 206. Still a bit high but nowhere near the 300 average that I had 3 months ago. I just ate lunch. (It should drop within range within an hour) Thanks for caring. ![]()
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Tangle Member Posts: 8946 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 3.9
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You've stopped the critical thinking course haven't you?
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine. "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
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GDR Member Posts: 5986 From: Sidney, BC, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 1.5 |
AZPaul3 writes: What makes you think it has? What makes you think it can? Other than your wishful thinking, why does this thought exist? Is there anything to indicate that such is possible? I know this answer won't work for you, but I believe that without it I would be completely self centred and care only about my own survival and well-being.He has told you, O man, what is good ; And what does the LORD require of you But to do justice, to love kindness, And to walk humbly with your God. Micah 6:8
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 7857 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 2.9 |
BS,GDR. You are not that kind of person. Yours is not an injured soul. Just your head is damaged.
You would make an excellent humanist if you could only get your head out of the fantasy.Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
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GDR Member Posts: 5986 From: Sidney, BC, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 1.5 |
nwr writes: I don't know. So what? There isn't anything I can do about it, so it doesn't seem to matter one way or the other. I suggest that it is healthy to know that when you sacrifice your own resources for a stranger that it is not all on account of you being a good guy. Edited by GDR, : Left out the not. Thanks for the catch AZP3 ![]() He has told you, O man, what is good ; And what does the LORD require of you But to do justice, to love kindness, And to walk humbly with your God. Micah 6:8
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 7857 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 2.9 |
I suggest that it is healthy to know that when you sacrifice your own resources for a stranger that it is all on account of you being a good guy. Very good. Yes that is right. No god necessary for a good soul to do good.Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
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