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Theodoric
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Message 2011 of 3694 (905881)
02-04-2023 3:57 PM
Reply to: Message 2004 by Phat
02-04-2023 12:05 PM


Re: Im going to come across as an entitled ass...but
Do you actually want a conversation about the pre Civil war US economy? Do you actually think northern states did not benefit from slavery? Do you think you can hand wave away that slavery was enshrined in The Constitution?
Do you have any understanding of US history, beyond the basics?

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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jar
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Message 2012 of 3694 (905884)
02-04-2023 9:10 PM
Reply to: Message 2004 by Phat
02-04-2023 12:05 PM


Basic Phat, learn the basics.
The North was more industrial but it was the south that was the agricultural engine.

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Phat
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Message 2013 of 3694 (905906)
02-05-2023 10:19 AM
Reply to: Message 2012 by jar
02-04-2023 9:10 PM


Re: Basic Phat, learn the basics.
Theodoric writes:
Do you have any understanding of US history, beyond the basics?
No. I have to look up everything I learn...beyond the basics.
jar writes:
The North was more industrial but it was the south that was the agricultural engine.
​ Interesting. So in a sense, the Agricultural wave was meeting up with the industrial wave. And there was a war! Thank God for Lincoln.

The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022
We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed

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Phat
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Message 2014 of 3694 (905907)
02-05-2023 10:24 AM
Reply to: Message 2011 by Theodoric
02-04-2023 3:57 PM


Re: Im going to come across as an entitled ass...but
Theo writes:
Do you think you can hand wave away that slavery was enshrined in The Constitution?
I'll note that you emphasize it. And I will readily admit that racism has been a thorn in the side of America for a long time. What I wont admit is the need for reparations. Jar used to always scold me that we in the US were a people without honor because we never honored our treaties with the indigenous people. My argument is that by attempting to go way back in History and rectify decisions made 200 years ago you are causing more harm than good and making a whole new generation of people angry with each other. Acknowledge the mistakes and sins of the past but dont try and fix them. It causes more social unrest than it solves.

The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022
We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed

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Theodoric
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From: Northwest, WI, USA
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Message 2015 of 3694 (905915)
02-05-2023 10:53 AM
Reply to: Message 2014 by Phat
02-05-2023 10:24 AM


Re: Im going to come across as an entitled ass...but
Racist and ignorant is no way to go through life, but that is what you have chosen.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Phat
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From: Denver,Colorado USA
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Message 2016 of 3694 (905923)
02-05-2023 11:51 AM
Reply to: Message 2015 by Theodoric
02-05-2023 10:53 AM


Re: Im going to come across as an entitled ass...but
No. I have chosen honesty (as much as possible) and belief. Ignorance is an option, but I make myself read and study more than most people I know.

The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022
We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed

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Dredge
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Message 2017 of 3694 (905930)
02-05-2023 1:47 PM
Reply to: Message 2015 by Theodoric
02-05-2023 10:53 AM


Re: Im going to come across as an entitled ass...but
The Left are so senseless and stupid, they think something as natural and inevitable as racism can be eradicated with "education" and laws.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 411 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 2018 of 3694 (905933)
02-05-2023 2:04 PM
Reply to: Message 2006 by Phat
02-04-2023 2:05 PM


Re: Globalist Socialist Agenda:Elephant In The Room
Phat writes:
I've mentioned a globalist socialist agenda...
So did Jim Keegstra. It was a Jewish conspiracy and he expected it to come about by the millennium.
Phat writes:
... you hand-wave it away...
Not at all. I have ridiculed it six ways from Sunday - and YOU ignore everything I say.
Phat writes:
... saying its not at all what you are talking about.
Well of course it is not what I'm talking about. There's no such thing as a "globalist socialist agenda".
Phat writes:
This last statement proves it is!
HOW?
Phat writes:
You know its going to happen eventually.
How could I know that?
Keegstra "knew" it was going to happen by 2000. It didn't.
Phat writes:
You are just not honest enough to address that inevitable argument.
You have not made an argument.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
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Message 2019 of 3694 (905934)
02-05-2023 2:07 PM
Reply to: Message 2007 by Phat
02-04-2023 2:10 PM


Re: Globalist Socialist Agenda:Elephant In The Room
Phat writes:
Here is another example. The "Federation" will become planetary.
That's not an example. It's your delusion.
Phat writes:
And at that point in time, you will have to legally shut down the Bible "Thumpers...
You're no Bible-thumper. You throw out the Bible.
The rest of you're drivel I'm not even going to read.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 2020 of 3694 (905936)
02-05-2023 2:15 PM
Reply to: Message 2009 by GDR
02-04-2023 2:38 PM


Re: What's Important enough?
GDR writes:
I would say that other than for this forum you are part of a very small minority in claiming that He didn't exist as a man living a couple of thousand years ago.
I don't think it's a minority. I think it's pretty much a scholarly consensus. Believing He existed doesn't count any more than believing the Flood happened counts.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 411 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 2021 of 3694 (905937)
02-05-2023 2:19 PM
Reply to: Message 2010 by Phat
02-04-2023 3:06 PM


Re: What's Important enough?
Phat writes:
We tried to fool them into believing.
But the Emperor had no clothes.
(Your end-times nonsense is mostly wrong but that belongs in a different topic.)

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
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From: frozen wasteland
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Message 2022 of 3694 (905938)
02-05-2023 2:28 PM
Reply to: Message 2014 by Phat
02-05-2023 10:24 AM


Re: Im going to come across as an entitled ass...but
Phat writes:
My argument is that by attempting to go way back in History and rectify decisions made 200 years ago you are causing more harm than good...
Again, that is not an argument. You have not shown how paying your bills causes more harm than good.
Phat writes:
Acknowledge the mistakes and sins of the past but dont try and fix them.
How can you acknowledge a mistake without trying to fix it? Is that how your father built houses? "Yes, I acknowledge that the roof leaks. Goodbye."
Phat writes:
It causes more social unrest than it solves.
Causing the KKK to burn more crosses is nor "social unrest".

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 2023 of 3694 (905939)
02-05-2023 2:29 PM
Reply to: Message 2016 by Phat
02-05-2023 11:51 AM


Re: Im going to come across as an entitled ass...but
Phat writes:
Ignorance is an option, but I make myself read and study more than most people I know.
Read The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich. Tell me you don't see yourself.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 411 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 2024 of 3694 (905941)
02-05-2023 2:37 PM
Reply to: Message 2017 by Dredge
02-05-2023 1:47 PM


Re: Im going to come across as an entitled ass...but
Dredge writes:
The Left are so senseless and stupid, they think something as natural and inevitable as racism can be eradicated with "education" and laws.
People with an IQ of 9 think they can school the grownups.
For those with an IQ of 10 and up: Murder is natural and inevitable. Nobody thinks we can "eradicate" it but we can prevent some of it with laws that promise to lock murderers up and throw away the key. And we can prevent some more by educating people about the laws. Why wouldn't something similar work with racists?

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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Theodoric
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From: Northwest, WI, USA
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Message 2025 of 3694 (905949)
02-05-2023 3:18 PM
Reply to: Message 2023 by ringo
02-05-2023 2:29 PM


Re: Im going to come across as an entitled ass...but
He reads but he does not comprehend.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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