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Theodoric Member Posts: 9076 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.7
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Do you actually want a conversation about the pre Civil war US economy? Do you actually think northern states did not benefit from slavery? Do you think you can hand wave away that slavery was enshrined in The Constitution?
Do you have any understanding of US history, beyond the basics? What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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jar Member (Idle past 393 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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The North was more industrial but it was the south that was the agricultural engine.
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Theodoric writes: No. I have to look up everything I learn...beyond the basics.
Do you have any understanding of US history, beyond the basics?jar writes: Interesting. So in a sense, the Agricultural wave was meeting up with the industrial wave. And there was a war! Thank God for Lincoln. The North was more industrial but it was the south that was the agricultural engine.The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894). When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022 We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Theo writes: I'll note that you emphasize it. And I will readily admit that racism has been a thorn in the side of America for a long time. What I wont admit is the need for reparations. Jar used to always scold me that we in the US were a people without honor because we never honored our treaties with the indigenous people. My argument is that by attempting to go way back in History and rectify decisions made 200 years ago you are causing more harm than good and making a whole new generation of people angry with each other. Acknowledge the mistakes and sins of the past but dont try and fix them. It causes more social unrest than it solves. Do you think you can hand wave away that slavery was enshrined in The Constitution?The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894). When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022 We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9076 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.7
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Racist and ignorant is no way to go through life, but that is what you have chosen.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
No. I have chosen honesty (as much as possible) and belief. Ignorance is an option, but I make myself read and study more than most people I know.
Edited by Phat, : added sentence on ignorance The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894). When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022 We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed
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Dredge Member Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
The Left are so senseless and stupid, they think something as natural and inevitable as racism can be eradicated with "education" and laws.
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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
So did Jim Keegstra. It was a Jewish conspiracy and he expected it to come about by the millennium.
I've mentioned a globalist socialist agenda... Phat writes:
Not at all. I have ridiculed it six ways from Sunday - and YOU ignore everything I say.
... you hand-wave it away... Phat writes:
Well of course it is not what I'm talking about. There's no such thing as a "globalist socialist agenda".
... saying its not at all what you are talking about. Phat writes:
HOW?
This last statement proves it is! Phat writes:
How could I know that? You know its going to happen eventually. Keegstra "knew" it was going to happen by 2000. It didn't.
Phat writes:
You have not made an argument. You are just not honest enough to address that inevitable argument.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
That's not an example. It's your delusion.
Here is another example. The "Federation" will become planetary. Phat writes:
You're no Bible-thumper. You throw out the Bible. And at that point in time, you will have to legally shut down the Bible "Thumpers... The rest of you're drivel I'm not even going to read.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
GDR writes:
I don't think it's a minority. I think it's pretty much a scholarly consensus. Believing He existed doesn't count any more than believing the Flood happened counts. I would say that other than for this forum you are part of a very small minority in claiming that He didn't exist as a man living a couple of thousand years ago.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
But the Emperor had no clothes. We tried to fool them into believing. (Your end-times nonsense is mostly wrong but that belongs in a different topic.)Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Again, that is not an argument. You have not shown how paying your bills causes more harm than good.
My argument is that by attempting to go way back in History and rectify decisions made 200 years ago you are causing more harm than good... Phat writes:
How can you acknowledge a mistake without trying to fix it? Is that how your father built houses? "Yes, I acknowledge that the roof leaks. Goodbye."
Acknowledge the mistakes and sins of the past but dont try and fix them. Phat writes:
Causing the KKK to burn more crosses is nor "social unrest". It causes more social unrest than it solves.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
Read The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich. Tell me you don't see yourself. Ignorance is an option, but I make myself read and study more than most people I know.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Dredge writes:
People with an IQ of 9 think they can school the grownups. The Left are so senseless and stupid, they think something as natural and inevitable as racism can be eradicated with "education" and laws. For those with an IQ of 10 and up: Murder is natural and inevitable. Nobody thinks we can "eradicate" it but we can prevent some of it with laws that promise to lock murderers up and throw away the key. And we can prevent some more by educating people about the laws. Why wouldn't something similar work with racists?Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9076 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.7
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He reads but he does not comprehend.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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