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Theodoric Member Posts: 9076 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.7 |
Crossan, Borg and the rest of the Jesus Seminar are all christians. It is not a group of historians. Its work is a lame attempt to shoe horn evidence for a historical Jesus. Evidence that does not exist.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9076 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.7 |
GDR seems to be astounded by the fact that many atheists and agnostics know their holy books better than religious people themselves.
GDR refuses to acknowledge or see that believers enter the conversation and study with multitudes of internal biases that color their reading and understanding. What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9076 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.7 |
In looking at the wiki page of Carrier I do not see any mention of impartiality. Could he be stretching the truth again. I am sure GDR did not notice that criticisms of Carrier come from primarily christians.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9076 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.7 |
Is the way we know of these other "messiahs", namely through multiple contemporary historical references, the same way we know of Jesus?
This is a perfect example of how the historicists move the goalposts. It exposes their deceitfulness and/or their utter ignorance. We know of all these revolts because of historical documentation. Of Jesus Christ? Crickets.We hear that we should not expect Jesus in the Roman and historical records. But we have all these others in the historical record. What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9076 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.7 |
That is the rub. The vast majority of biblical scholars are Christian so therefore they accept the premise of christ. Atheist scholars are the only ones that can see the facts without bias. The accepted scholarship is christ centered therefore biased.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9076 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.7
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I would be threatened and probably assaulted if I set that up around here.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9076 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.7 |
Careful or he will decide you are not worth replying to also
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9076 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.7 |
if he served as the basis for the Pauline epistles and the gospels then he has been exaggerated and distorted out of all recognition.
So as not to be the jesus of the bible at all.What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9076 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.7 |
Luke was a travelling companion of Paul.
Now we all know that this is tradition and there is absolutely no evidence for this. If you have it present it and you will be lauded the world over.
Both of them spent time in Jerusalem with the disciples
Ditto. There is no evidence to support this.What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9076 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.7
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Phat thinks every atheist has some sort of gripe with religion. He thinks atheist are like theos and need an axe to grind. He refuses to actually listen to what atheists actually tell him.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9076 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.7 |
Great, great argument about evidence, reality, and the scientific method. This will be added to my fave pages of this site.
Edited by Theodoric, : Subtitle What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9076 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.7 |
Gee I wonder why there has never, ever been evidence of the supernatural. It is like being able to be invisible, but only when no one is looking.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9076 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.7 |
We pray Lord that our lives will model the life to come, when you will bring about the resurrection of all things, in a renewed world, where the wolf lies down with the lamb, and with true joy and peace for all. With the power of your Holy Spirit, may we be Christ like people, living lives of Christ like love." Word salad. Means nothing.What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9076 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.7 |
As a person trained in historical research, archival science and a smattering of training in archaeology I think this is an amazing post. It is a great overview of what historical evidence is and isn't.
As for Dawkins, he needs to stay in his field. He no spokesperson for atheists and is a misogynist, racist ass. What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9076 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.7
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As he refuses to engage with me. I will post this comment here.
What does he mean by "the church"? There is no "church". There are multitudes of churches with a full spectrum of different beliefs.What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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