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Theodoric
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Message 1007 of 3694 (899637)
10-16-2022 5:53 PM
Reply to: Message 1002 by Phat
10-16-2022 3:41 PM


Re: What does God want of Us
No he was a shyster too.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 1066 of 3694 (899955)
10-21-2022 12:22 PM
Reply to: Message 1065 by ringo
10-21-2022 12:05 PM


Re: Camp Lake O' Fire.
The religious are as dishonest to themselves as they are to us.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 1068 of 3694 (899970)
10-21-2022 2:26 PM
Reply to: Message 1067 by ringo
10-21-2022 12:43 PM


Re: Camp Lake O' Fire.
He pulls the same shit in every thread he has been involved in. He gets all pissy when he is called out on it. He won't even respond to me because I have called out his crap since he first started posting.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 1075 of 3694 (899982)
10-21-2022 6:14 PM
Reply to: Message 1072 by GDR
10-21-2022 5:59 PM


Re: What does God want of Us
A thing cannot be used as evidence for itself. None of the early church fathers were there or even alive when it happened. Well Paul of Tarsus but he does not even talk about an earthly JC. He speaks of a heavenly JC.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 1083 of 3694 (900029)
10-22-2022 11:21 AM
Reply to: Message 1082 by Percy
10-22-2022 8:32 AM


Re: What does God want of Us
Excellent point. I try to live my life by a version of the Golden Rule. I have been an atheist all of my adult life. When I was a child I believed what children do. The Golden Rule has nothing to do with religion or religious belief

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 1101 of 3694 (900159)
10-24-2022 10:12 AM
Reply to: Message 1098 by Phat
10-24-2022 8:55 AM


Re: Detangling your inner spirituality
This does not seem to be original Spinoza. It has been attribute to Einstein answering a question about his belief in a god and he supposedly said Spinoza wrote those words. I cannot fond an original source for Einstein. There is no source I can find to attribute this to Spinoza. It could have been ideas taken from his treatise "Ethics". It is a huge undertaking. Not just the writing but reading it also. I cannot say if these ideas exist in the work, but they do seem to represent a bit of his philosophy. Spinoza was a shunned Jew, but never converted to christianity.
Ethics - Wikipedia(Spinoza_book)#Part_I:_Of_God

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 1113 of 3694 (900196)
10-24-2022 10:27 PM
Reply to: Message 1107 by GDR
10-24-2022 7:51 PM


Re: What does God want of Us
Paul who had considerable close contact with the eyewitnesses as well as a little later on Papias.
You constantly repeat this but you never provide any evidence. Paul never claims to have met any eyewitnesses. If you believe he does present the evidence.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 1131 of 3694 (900374)
10-27-2022 8:27 AM
Reply to: Message 1128 by Phat
10-27-2022 12:18 AM


Re: What does God want of Us
Really?
You still don't understand there is a difference between sex and gender. Transphobic too?
I have a dear friend who have considered my niece for over 30 years. SHe is non-binary. She uses she/her pronouns, but identifies as non-gendered. For her, it is not a sexual thing. She has very limited sexual experience. It is just not something that drives and motivates her. Because of fucks like you she struggles every day with her mental health.
Her father is also a very good friend. At the age of 54 she started gender reassignment. She has known since he was 12 that she identified as a girl. His parents were supportive but they had no money and that did not happen in the '70's. She has transitioned and identifies completely as a woman, but is still in a long term (19 year) relationship with a woman. She was always happy seeming, but now she is gloriously happy. Also, the still the best Walleye fisherman and home mechanic I have ever known.
So you think these people should not be allowed to be teachers(or probably even on public) because you and your religious ilk feel uncomfortable? Seeing and being around transgender people does not make kids change gender. How many children convert because they have a teacher of a different religion? HIding children in a bubble does not do them well in the long run.
Oh yeah fuck you. Self-identification and feelings have everything to do with gender.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 1134 of 3694 (900392)
10-27-2022 9:50 AM
Reply to: Message 1133 by Phat
10-27-2022 9:15 AM


Religious trolling not worth responding
Maybe others will
On my worst day, I could best you at chess, philosophy, and morality
Whatever.
The only philosophy you know is christian apologia. I and others find your morality repugnant. My 13 year old would kick your ass in chess. I struggle to beat him.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 1149 of 3694 (900500)
10-27-2022 11:47 PM
Reply to: Message 1148 by Dredge
10-27-2022 11:43 PM


Re: What does God want of Us
Why would he care about catholicism? He was not raised catholic.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 1177 of 3694 (900670)
10-30-2022 12:30 PM
Reply to: Message 1165 by GDR
10-29-2022 7:04 PM


Re: What does God want of Us
I would say that He doesn't say when it will happen for the simple reason He simply doesn't know.
I thought he and Pops were one. Your argument kinda hinders your religion.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 1183 of 3694 (900681)
10-30-2022 2:24 PM
Reply to: Message 1181 by Phat
10-30-2022 2:17 PM


Re: What does God want of Us
Follow the conversation. I was replying to a GDR post.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 1206 of 3694 (900711)
10-30-2022 4:22 PM
Reply to: Message 1185 by Phat
10-30-2022 2:33 PM


Read the post I was replying to
It is then self-evident.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 1263 of 3694 (900967)
11-03-2022 8:03 AM
Reply to: Message 1256 by GDR
11-02-2022 5:25 PM


Tacitus? Again?
You have brought up Tacitus before and I have shown repeatedly that what he says does not mean what you think it means. As you refuse to engage with me all I can say is your continued presentation of Tacitus without addressing the issues raised is extremely dishonest and deceitful.
quote:
TACITUS (c.112CE)

Roughly 80 years after the alleged events Tacitus allegedly wrote a (now) famous passage about "Christ" - this passage has several problems however:
* Tacitus uses the term "procurator", used in his later times, but not correct for the actual period, when "prefect" was used.
* Tacitus names the person as "Christ", when Roman records could not possibly have used this name (it would have been "Jesus, son of Joseph" or similar.)
* Tacitus accepts the recent advent of Christianity, which was against Roman practice (to only allow ancient and accepted cults and religions.)
* (No-one refers to this passage for a millenium, even early Christians who actively sought such passages.)

Thus, even if the Tacitus passage is not a later interpolation,
it is not evidence of a historical Jesus based on earlier Roman records,
but
merely a few details which Tacitus gathered from Christian stories circulating in his time (c.f. Pliny.)
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What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 1264 of 3694 (900970)
11-03-2022 8:12 AM
Reply to: Message 1260 by Phat
11-03-2022 6:04 AM


Re: What does God want of Us
Have you even read Carrier? He is a renowned scholar. It is interesting that you attack him personally, but do not address his arguments.
If you had any sense of decency you would bow out of this discussion after that ridiculous post. But no you will double and triple down.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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