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Topic: Choosing a faith
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9143 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.3
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Message 501 of 3694 (897884)
09-14-2022 3:49 PM
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Reply to: Message 495 by Phat
09-14-2022 2:44 PM
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Re: History For Atheists
But O'Neill is a hack that has no more insight than I do. He expresses his opinions of what others have written and researched. Manyof his arguments are nothing more thanlogical fallacies. You will notice he uses a lot of straw man arguments. I have no idea what is agenda is but he has one. As for Carrier. He is a vile human being, but still waiting for actual scholarly rebuttals of his scholarship. And no I do not worship him as you do apologists. Nice to see you resorting to personal attacks again. Exactly what I expect from a troll. Nice to see those good Christian values again.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9143 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.3
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Message 522 of 3694 (897923)
09-15-2022 6:46 PM
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Reply to: Message 510 by GDR
09-15-2022 3:31 PM
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Re: What does God want of Us
Richard Bauckham's book Jesus and the Eyewitnesses details, after considerable research, how all the NT was written either by eye witnesses or by writers with a first person connected to the eye witnesses.
His claims go against all scholarly consensus. Just because one dude writes a book does not make it true.
Papias who lived from 60 to 130 AD insisted on writing only from eyewitness or from those with direct contact to the eye witnesses.
Polycarp born 69 AD wrote extensively and had contact with the disciples.
Bullshit you have no evidence of this. All there is is tradition and later writings
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9143 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.3
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Message 524 of 3694 (897926)
09-15-2022 9:32 PM
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Reply to: Message 523 by Phat
09-15-2022 9:15 PM
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Phat and another strawman
That isn't what I said, is it? Another strawman. It is against the scholarly consensus that the synoptic gospels were based on eyewitness testimony and that the Gospel of John was written by an eyewitness. Please keep your wackaloon economic theories to the appropriate threads. Everything else you spout is also off-topic and just word salad
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9143 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.3
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Message 538 of 3694 (897940)
09-16-2022 11:03 AM
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Reply to: Message 528 by Percy
09-16-2022 7:28 AM
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GDR will just move on
He will not respond substantively to this. He may blow some smoke but nothing substantive. Then in 6 months or so he will bring it up again, totally ignoring previous responses. He is a lot like Phat. The only difference is that GDR has presented himself as reasonable. We know Phat better and have seen the decline of his ability to have a rational argument. It seems we gave GDR too much benefit of the doubt. Then maybe we gave him the rope to hang himself.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9143 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.3
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Message 541 of 3694 (897944)
09-16-2022 12:28 PM
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Reply to: Message 540 by ringo
09-16-2022 11:55 AM
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Re: What does God want of Us
Guarantee Phat will miss your point.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9143 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.3
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Message 586 of 3694 (898296)
09-21-2022 10:35 PM
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Reply to: Message 580 by GDR
09-21-2022 4:18 PM
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Re: What does God want of Us
You have no evidence who wrote the gospels. None. You can spout bullshit, but I will call you on it. That you refuse to respond to me shows you have.nothing.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9143 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.3
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Message 623 of 3694 (898431)
09-23-2022 6:29 PM
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Reply to: Message 622 by GDR
09-23-2022 5:21 PM
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Re: What does God want of Us
Sure, except that with Matthean priority like Farrer does away with a need for Q.
But none of your "scholars" can agree on anything. There are as many theories of the primacy of gospels as there are interpretations of the J guy. Probably why there are so many different christian churches.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9143 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.3
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Message 630 of 3694 (898439)
09-23-2022 9:20 PM
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Reply to: Message 629 by nwr
09-23-2022 9:08 PM
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Re: AI with AC
It is nice and enlightening to see interaction and debate between posters I respect. An actual discussion with actual substance. Thank you. Carry on.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9143 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.3
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Message 639 of 3694 (898457)
09-24-2022 10:55 AM
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Reply to: Message 637 by Percy
09-24-2022 10:43 AM
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Eyewitnesses to JC
GDR will never honestly discuss this. The reality destroys the core of his belief system.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9143 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.3
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Message 721 of 3694 (898744)
09-29-2022 11:33 AM
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Reply to: Message 720 by AZPaul3
09-29-2022 10:47 AM
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Re: What does God want of Us
GDR is over 200 posts in(on this topic alone) and is repeating the very same argument from the first day he was ever here. He is now well beyond troll territory.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9143 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.3
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Message 748 of 3694 (898789)
09-29-2022 10:42 PM
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Reply to: Message 731 by GDR
09-29-2022 3:38 PM
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Re: What does God want of Us
They are not biographical accounts
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9143 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.3
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Message 819 of 3694 (898908)
10-03-2022 10:05 AM
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Reply to: Message 818 by Percy
10-03-2022 9:36 AM
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History and evidence
And like science history does not deal in truths. All history can go on is the weight of evidence.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9143 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.3
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Message 877 of 3694 (899010)
10-06-2022 12:19 PM
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Reply to: Message 871 by Phat
10-06-2022 10:09 AM
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Re: What does God want of Us
Why don't you ever have your own answer? Tell us what you think not what someone else thinks.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9143 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.3
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Message 882 of 3694 (899018)
10-06-2022 3:29 PM
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Reply to: Message 880 by GDR
10-06-2022 2:49 PM
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Promoting falsehoods again
In this case I number of peolple who were the original believers were eyewitnesses or had first hand contact with the eyewitnesses.
Time and time again you have stated this and time and time again you have been asked to provide evidence for this. You have not. You can not. The reason you can not is because no one can. If you could you would change all biblical and historical scholarship. You get all pissy that you are accused of lying. When you have been shown time and time again to be spouting untruths what are we to think? I know you won't respond to me. Prob best you don't so as not to humiliate yourself even more.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9143 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.3
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Message 995 of 3694 (899508)
10-15-2022 12:51 PM
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Reply to: Message 994 by ringo
10-15-2022 12:07 PM
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Re: What does God want of Us
No. He is being dishonest. Again. Edited by Theodoric, : rephrase
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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