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Message 7 of 264 (895958)
07-27-2022 5:01 AM


No.
The White Supremacists would not want to force non-white women to out reproduce white women! Why would you ever think otherwise? What kind of congenital idiot are you? (deliberate reference to in breeding which leads to mean, nasty, ugly things like line dancing -- inside joke, but I believe to be very telling).
Rather, they want white women to pop out as many babies as they can (basically, this has been part of their public statements in support of anti-abortion measures). They don't want non-whites to replace us whites (though I'm 50% Scottish, mostly Irish except for 1/16th German ... though my sister thinks that he might have been ... Jewish -- a saving grace in my mind). So then, in the meantime, wouldn't they want far more non-white women to not give birth??
Huh???
Jewish women are filing lawsuits against the anti-abortion laws because they violate their own religious freedoms. OK, white supremacists want to limit the number of Jews, so what's their problem with that?
Non-whites file lawsuits against the anti-abortion laws because they violate their own religious freedoms. OK, white supremacists want to limit the number of non-whites, so what's their problem? Maximize the number of white births, but at the same time minimize the number of non-white births. Yet that is never the goal nor result of any anti-abortion law.
All these anti-abortion laws attempt to maximize both white and non-white births, So Whiskey-Tango-Foxtrot-Over?
So what exactly is the goal here?
 
The slavers had a solution. Breeder farms. Farms where they kept black women and bred them to produce ever more slaves for the plantations. Some opponents of anti-abortion want to use that kind of "servitude" to fight such slavery because of applicable anti-slavery Amendments to the Constitution.
But, what about Lebensborn, the "Fountain of Life"? Nazi breeding factories with the added benefit of being convenient brothels for SS officers (the only suitable males to the next generation of racially pure contributors). How many of those women actually volunteered of their own free will to be impregnated versus those who were forced to do so by force (eg, their country had just been invaded by Germans and now those same Germans wanted to breed with them ... what kind of coercion could there possibly be there?).
So where are the modern Lebensborn people now?
Isn't that exactly what they want?

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Message 17 of 264 (895975)
07-27-2022 1:15 PM
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07-27-2022 10:33 AM


Can you focus on your main concern?
My main concern is the overabundance of BS.
So many issues that I do not know how to reply.
Please try to keep up.
The racists are so very concerned with non-whites "replacing" them. So much so that they are doing everything they can to firmly establish their rule of the minority.
Their greatest fear is democracy. If non-whites form the clear majority in a democracy (ie, where every qualifying citizen can vote), then they view whites as being out-voted all the time. Even though so many of the things that would be voted on have nothing to do with race. But if whites lose the reproduction race against non-whites, then they see themselves losing if democracy is the rule.
That is one reason why they want to get rid of democracy and to establish and cement their own rule of the minority. They want their own white minority to still be able to rule over everybody, even if the majority is non-white.
BTW, by "white" I also read WASP, White Anglo-Saxon Protestant. For so long, racism was based on nationality, not on the color of your skin. Hence the discrimination against Italians, the Irish, and Jews. I'm primarily Celtic (half Scottish and the other half mainly Irish with a sliver of German (though possibly Jewish if my sister's suspicions are right)) so [voice=Mike Myers being hyper-Scottish]fuck you, you bloody Saxons![/voice]. It's only been within part of this past century that it has become a matter of skin color, which is admittedly a much easier way to determine whether to discriminate. Though they still hate the Jews so very much. Must be jealousy.
I remember a scene in a movie, possibly "Cast a Giant Shadow" (failing the consulting-Wikipedia-in-a-conversation test here, since I'm going completely on memory), about the formation of the state of Israel. Paul Newman is a Zionist (and hence Jewish) who encounters Peter Lawford as a British officer. Lawford makes a statement that he can spot a Jew a mile away. Newman feigns that he has something in his eye and asks Lawford to check on it. Lawford obliges and his "Jew-dar" completely fails him.
So while non-whites could possibly out-breed us (yes, I just switched to including non-WASPs), white supremacists want to change politics to enable them to remain in power by subverting democracy.
But breeder farms, which is what Lebensborn ("Fountain of Life") basically was a Nazi (AKA "national-socialist") form of. Why aren't they pushing for that as a way to out-breed the non-whites? As I've seen depicted, not many Aryan women would willingly prostitute themselves in that manner, though the depiction in Europa Europa shows them being encouraged to do so (the protagonist, a young Jew trying to pass as a good Nazi youth, is in love with a beautiful girl, but giving in to his desires would blow his cover -- the final scene of him in a bonding piss with his long-lost brother finally revealed to me after so many decades of "huh?" the Ghostbusters joke about not crossing the streams). What I've seen depicted (eg, in X Company about a resistance cell operating out of Camp X and communicating through Hydra) is that properly vetted young "Aryan" women in occupied countries were "volunteered" 1 into such reproductive "service". Similarly (also depicted in X Company) young "Aryan" children would be abducted and adopted by Nazi foster parents.


FOOTNOTE 1

The US Marine Corps has always prided itself as being an all-volunteer service.
Yet the personal testimonies I've heard refer to a group of draftees in a room when a Marine sergeant enters and points to specific draftees saying, "You, you, and you. You've just volunteer for the Marine Corps." Being "volunteered" for something is a standard military joke (35-year military veteran speaking here, albeit with 29 years of reserve duty).
In one of those personal testimonies (from WWII), the draftee's group after having been whittled down had an officer enter to administer the oath of enlistment: "You are being enlisted in the US Navy. Raise your right hand." And they raised both hands with a "Hallelujah!"



So if they're so eager to out-breed the non-whites, where are the whites-only breeder farms? What is their version of Lebensborn? The Nazis were so well organized, so why can't our Latter-Day Nazis get their most basic acts together?
At the very least, the self-documentation of their misdeeds is most excellent, as the Jan-6 committee has been finding. You can always count on Nazis for really good documentation (the death camps were run on IBM software, after all).

Edited by dwise1, : Added "in occupied countries" to "Aryan-enough" women being forced into Nazi breeder farms, the Lebensborn


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Message 22 of 264 (895981)
07-27-2022 1:40 PM
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07-27-2022 1:30 PM


Jessica H. Christ!
What don't you understand?
If you are incapable of thinking, why would you ever try to engage in any feigned attempt at discussion?

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Message 24 of 264 (895983)
07-27-2022 2:00 PM
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07-27-2022 1:47 PM


If you cannot keep up, then you should fuck off yourself.
Or stop and think for a moment. If that is at all possible for you.

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Message 53 of 264 (896035)
07-29-2022 3:30 PM
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07-29-2022 11:49 AM


What is wrong with discriminating positively for your own tribe or color?
Because we live in a society and dividing a society up into separate tribes who discriminate positively for their particular faction (and hence against all the other factions) can only result in the destruction of that society.
And since we all depend on that society and its stability for our survival, taking actions which weaken or threaten to destroy that society (and hence threaten our own survival) would very clearly be wrong. And extremely stupid.

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Message 106 of 264 (896331)
08-06-2022 2:39 PM
Reply to: Message 102 by Percy
08-06-2022 9:18 AM


GIa writes:
oday, are we not mostly giving our best and brightest the top positions in business, sports, politics, etc.
There's no central authority with the power of "giving our best and brightest the top positions," but you seemed to be advocating for one, hence the eugenics connection.
It is obvious what he is advocating: Fascism. Placing "our best and brightest" into the "top positions in business, sports, politics, etc." to rule over the rest who, by not being the "best and brightest", are clearly inferior.
Eugenics is based on the perversion and misinterpretation of evolutionary ideas such as fitness. That perversion formed the basis of Social Darwinism in which they used (and still do, apparently) their misinterpretations to justify their horrific economic, social, and political practices. Eugenics is just one of those practices which developed in the USA, but it took a Hitler to weaponize it.
That article on Fascism should be required reading, since our collective memories are sorely in need of refreshing. Even just by browsing through that article, what we hear from the GOP every day and what their stated and implied goals are just keep jumping out at us from the monitor screen. As well as GIa's OP (Message 1).
For example, from the section, -- while not trying to copy the article's formatting, I added bolding for emphasis. Pay especial attention to the last paragraph I quote:
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Mussolini perceived women's primary role as primarily child bearers, while that of men as warriors, once saying: "War is to man what maternity is to the woman." In an effort to increase birthrates, the Italian Fascist government gave financial incentives to women who raised large families and initiated policies intended to reduce the number of women employed. Italian Fascism called for women to be honoured as "reproducers of the nation" and the Italian Fascist government held ritual ceremonies to honour women's role within the Italian nation. In 1934, Mussolini declared that employment of women was a "major aspect of the thorny problem of unemployment" and that for women, working was "incompatible with childbearing"; Mussolini went on to say that the solution to unemployment for men was the "exodus of women from the work force."
The German Nazi government strongly encouraged women to stay at home to bear children and keep house. This policy was reinforced by bestowing the Cross of Honor of the German Mother on women bearing four or more children. The unemployment rate was cut substantially, mostly through arms production and sending women home so that men could take their jobs. Nazi propaganda sometimes promoted premarital and extramarital sexual relations, unwed motherhood and divorce, but at other times the Nazis opposed such behaviour.
The Nazis decriminalized abortion in cases where fetuses had hereditary defects or were of a race the government disapproved of, while the abortion of healthy pure German, Aryan fetuses remained strictly forbidden. For non-Aryans, abortion was often compulsory. Their eugenics program also stemmed from the "progressive biomedical model" of Weimar Germany. In 1935, Nazi Germany expanded the legality of abortion by amending its eugenics law, to promote abortion for women with hereditary disorders. The law allowed abortion if a woman gave her permission and the fetus was not yet viable and for purposes of so-called racial hygiene.

There is one particular hospital scene set in Nazi Germany which keeps coming up. It's just part of the normal flow of the scene and hardly noticeable ... until you start to question why it keeps coming up. I first saw it in USA TV movies, but then I've also been seeing it in German productions set in the Hitlerzeit. The maternity nurse presents the newborn for the first time to its mother and the very first thing she does is to show the mother the baby's hands and feet to confirm ten fingers and ten toes. It wouldn't mean anything if it just appeared in one production, but in so many independent productions in different countries? What makes it a Leitmotif, a thematic thread that runs through all these productions? If it's just a custom in German maternity wards, then we could expect it in German productions, but why would it also appear in so many American productions as well?
The reason is the Nazi Eugenics laws. Any sign of a genetic abnormality would require that that baby become a "ward of the state" for "special care and treatment" -- do I need to paint a picture?
Now looking back at the OP (Message 1):
GIa writes:
Does reversing abortion laws give all non-white Americans a better socio-economic demographic position?

Statistically, more non-whites are aborted than whites.

Reverse this trend and the shrinking white demographic dominance goes into overdrive.

White is demographically shooting itself in the foot.

White power, at this point in time, is being quite generous to non-whites.

One might see it all as a huge white restitution and reparations to all those non-whites we white predators stressed.

Are white Americans who are on the right, aware of what they are giving up, demographically speaking?

Should the non-white Americans be on the right wing side on this, just for the benefits of fast tracking their control?
This is the same reasoning behind Nazi laws and policies regarding abortion: abortion (sometimes even compulsory) for non-Aryans, but forbidden for Aryans. Diminish the size of the non-Aryan population while increasing the size of the Aryan population.
We have found tht US White supremacist domestic terrorists (eg, Timothy McFey) have a Bible: The Turner Diaries:
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The Turner Diaries is a 1978 novel by William Luther Pierce, published under the pseudonym Andrew Macdonald. It depicts a violent revolution in the United States which leads to the overthrow of the federal government, a nuclear war, and, ultimately, a race war which leads to the systematic extermination of non-whites. All groups opposed by the novel's protagonist, Earl Turner—including Jews, non-whites, "liberal actors", and politicians—are exterminated.
The Turner Diaries was described as being "explicitly racist and anti-Semitic" by The New York Times and has been labeled the "bible of the racist right" by the FBI. The book was greatly influential in shaping white nationalism and the later development of the white genocide conspiracy theory. It has also inspired numerous hate crimes and acts of terrorism, including the 1984 assassination of Alan Berg, the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing, and the 1999 London nail bombings and Columbine High School massacre.
Malcolm Nance, retired intelligence professional who has spent a lot of time monitoring those extremicists' social media channels, discussed their plan as inspired by that book.
This is the video of part of an interview where he discusses it (it refuses to be imbedded here): Malcolm Nance is Back Stateside!!
That video does not show the entire interview, but I had listened to it on the radio. In addition to the plan to kill all non-whites (and Democrats) they can find, they also have a plan to organize ethnically pure white men into rape gangs to find and rape ethnically-pure white women in order to produce more ethnically-pure white babies.
I ain't shittin' you!
Is that supposed to be part of GIa's ideas for rule by the "strongest and the best"? Fascism?
Well fuck that shit!
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The Magic Christian, Peter Sellers' and Ringo's characters are in the theater for a performance of Hamlet:
Hamlet: To be or not to be ...
Ringo: (getting up to leave) I've seen it.

We've also all seen Fascism already. It's an oldie but a baddie.
We do not need to see it again!

Edited by dwise1, : corrected small typo


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Message 111 of 264 (896348)
08-06-2022 7:22 PM
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08-06-2022 7:17 PM


Yep, no doubt about it.
A fucking fascist!

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Message 145 of 264 (897069)
08-29-2022 10:36 AM
Reply to: Message 140 by Stile
08-29-2022 9:53 AM


Re: Follow forum rules
The world is not dualistic. It's multi-faceted.

Thinking there's 2 sides to every issue has the same problem as only seeing 1 side - being extremely limited.
quote:
there are 10 types of people in this world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
I recently saw a comment to Pascal's Wager concerning how its users place equal weight to the two values of "Either God exists or He doesn't" (from memory):
quote:
They think that rolling a six on a single die is 50% (1 in 2), that the probability of rolling a six is the same as rolling a non-six.
Just in case, I'll explain that joke. No, the odds of rolling a six (1 in 6) is not the same as rolling a non-six (5 in 6). But if you take six possible outcomes and collapse them down to only two, then you lose sight of what is actually happening.

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