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Author Topic:   Rebuttal To Creationists - "Since We Can't Directly Observe Evolution..."
Dredge
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Message 2911 of 2932 (906528)
02-13-2023 11:04 AM
Reply to: Message 2903 by Phat
02-13-2023 7:12 AM


Re: Happy Darwin's Day
[qs=PhartThey are critically thinking humanists and need to be respected as a belief in their own right.[/qs] Wake up, dum-dum. They are pawns manipulated by demons to spread godless propaganda in the name of science - ie, the theory of evolution.
They believe in positivity. In human reason. In data and evidence. And they will tell us that its not a belief. It is rationality itself.
Good Lord ... you're so clueless and brainwashed.

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Dredge
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Message 2912 of 2932 (906529)
02-13-2023 11:05 AM
Reply to: Message 2903 by Phat
02-13-2023 7:12 AM


Re: Happy Darwin's Day
Phart writes:
They are critically thinking humanists and need to be respected as a belief in their own right.
Wake up, dum-dum. They are pawns manipulated by demons to spread godless propaganda in the name of science - ie, the theory of evolution.
They believe in positivity. In human reason. In data and evidence. And they will tell us that its not a belief. It is rationality itself.
Good Lord ... you're so clueless and brainwashed.

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Phat
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Message 2913 of 2932 (906530)
02-13-2023 11:12 AM
Reply to: Message 2911 by Dredge
02-13-2023 11:04 AM


Re: Happy Dum Dum Day
Even if I thought someone was oppressed or possessed by a demon, by denigrating them and calling them fools or evil, I am only feeding the demon. I have actually experienced instances of demonic (or unexplained, for the critics in the conversation) presence/activity. Its been awhile, though. I think that part of the reason I no longer see or experience such stuff is because I myself am so carnal and weak. Now that my blood sugars are lower, my intelligence is coming back. Once my heart catches up, I will be ready to discern such stuff.

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Kleinman
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Message 2914 of 2932 (906531)
02-13-2023 11:12 AM
Reply to: Message 2908 by Dredge
02-13-2023 10:41 AM


Re: Happy Darwin's Day
Kleinman:
Medicine won't help AZPaul3 understand the truth. He needs repentance from his sin.
Dredge:
... and perhaps an exorcism. I think demonic influence and deception is rife in the world today.

"when the thousand years are ended, Satan will be loosed from his prison and will come out to deceive the nations which are at the four corners of the earth" - Rev 20:7-8

I think so as well. Things that used to be done in secrecy are now done in the open.
1 whenever I would heal Israel,
the sins of Ephraim are exposed
and the crimes of Samaria revealed.
They practice deceit,
thieves break into houses,
bandits rob in the streets;
2 but they do not realize
that I remember all their evil deeds.
Their sins engulf them;
they are always before me.
Hosea 7:1-2

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Dredge
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Message 2915 of 2932 (906532)
02-13-2023 11:13 AM
Reply to: Message 2904 by Kleinman
02-13-2023 9:20 AM


Re: WarMongering
Kleinman writes:
They think they will avoid judgement for their sin. They will be in for a sad surprise.
"It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God" - Hebrews 10:31

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Phat
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Message 2916 of 2932 (906533)
02-13-2023 11:16 AM
Reply to: Message 2912 by Dredge
02-13-2023 11:05 AM


Re: Happy Darwin's Day
Cardinal Dredge writes:
Good Lord ... you're so clueless and brainwashed.
Not at all. I am learning to express an argument not only through scripture and a theistic stance but by also taking the rational contrarian position. Its something you should try. You cant win a war if you don't know your enemy. And its why I have stuck around EvC long after folks such as you come and go. I actually like my enemy. ( and no, dum dum...its not the demons I like! )

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Phat
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Message 2917 of 2932 (906535)
02-13-2023 11:25 AM
Reply to: Message 2907 by Kleinman
02-13-2023 9:22 AM


Why Do WeCare?
AK writes:
Why do you care? You don't even understand what Darwin wrote.
Why do any of us care? Why do your opponents care enough about you to let you go on and on and on without some administrator booting you?

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Kleinman
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Message 2918 of 2932 (906538)
02-13-2023 11:37 AM
Reply to: Message 2917 by Phat
02-13-2023 11:25 AM


Re: Why Do WeCare?
Kleinman:
Why do you care? You don't even understand what Darwin wrote.
Phat:
Why do any of us care? Why do your opponents care enough about you to let you go on and on and on without some administrator booting you?

Is it that hard to admit that you don't know what Darwin wrote?

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Phat
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Message 2919 of 2932 (906548)
02-13-2023 12:10 PM
Reply to: Message 2918 by Kleinman
02-13-2023 11:37 AM


Re: Why Do WeCare?
OK I'll confess. I know little about what Darwin wrote. It does not interest me. Now what?

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Kleinman
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Message 2920 of 2932 (906558)
02-13-2023 12:44 PM
Reply to: Message 2919 by Phat
02-13-2023 12:10 PM


Re: Why Do WeCare?
Phat:
OK I'll confess. I know little about what Darwin wrote. It does not interest me. Now what?
It shows how little you (and biologists) know or understand about biological evolution. Here is a key paragraph from Darwin's On the Origin of Species found on page 115:
For it should be remembered that the competition will generally be most severe between those forms which are most nearly related to each other in habits, constitution and structure. Hence all the intermediate forms between the earlier and later states, that is between the less and more improved state of a species, as well as the original parent-species itself, will generally tend to become extinct. So it probably will be with many whole collateral lines of descent, which will be conquered by later and improved lines of descent. If, however, the modified offspring of a species get into some distinct country, or become quickly adapted to some quite new station, in which child and parent do not come into competition, both may continue to exist.
This paragraph gives the essence of Darwinian evolution, competition (which Darwin also calls the struggle for existence, and modification by descent. Biologists have done a reasonable job formulating the mathematics of competition, but they have failed to correctly describe the mathematics of modification by descent. And biologists don't understand how competition affects modification by descent. Since this is not of interest to you (because this is how bacteria evolve drug resistance and why cancer treatments fail), I suggest you find another thread that you are more interested in.

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AZPaul3
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Message 2921 of 2932 (906564)
02-13-2023 1:15 PM
Reply to: Message 2919 by Phat
02-13-2023 12:10 PM


Another Assault On Common Descent
Don’t be concerned, Phat. This is just Kleinman lying about the real math. He is trying to kill common descent which defies his views of Genesis. Like his two bogus papers his objections here also have no merit.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Kleinman
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Posts: 2142
From: United States
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Message 2922 of 2932 (906566)
02-13-2023 1:25 PM
Reply to: Message 2921 by AZPaul3
02-13-2023 1:15 PM


Re: Another Assault On Common Descent
AZPaul3:
Don’t be concerned, Phat. This is just Kleinman lying about the real math. He is trying to kill common descent which defies his views of Genesis. Like his two bogus papers his objections here also have no merit.
This is appropriate advice for Phat. It is ignorant advice to someone that doesn't care.

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AZPaul3
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Message 2923 of 2932 (906567)
02-13-2023 1:31 PM
Reply to: Message 2922 by Kleinman
02-13-2023 1:25 PM


Re: Another Assault On Common Descent
The facts. Just the facts, ma'am.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Kleinman
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Posts: 2142
From: United States
Joined: 10-06-2016


Message 2924 of 2932 (906571)
02-13-2023 2:05 PM
Reply to: Message 2923 by AZPaul3
02-13-2023 1:31 PM


Re: Another Assault On Common Descent
AZPaul3:
The facts. Just the facts, ma'am.
AZPaul3 hasn't learned much since getting an old quote from a television show from the 1950s.

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Dredge
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Message 2925 of 2932 (906732)
02-16-2023 1:06 PM
Reply to: Message 2919 by Phat
02-13-2023 12:10 PM


Re: Why Do WeCare?
Phat writes:
OK I'll confess. I know little about what Darwin wrote. 
Darwin was a famous nineteenth-century scientist and author who dabbled in both biology and fairy tales. One of his best fairy tales was the one about bears evolving into whales.
Unfortunately, some feeble-minded folks can't tell the difference Darwin's biology and his fairy tales.

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