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Author Topic:   Rebuttal To Creationists - "Since We Can't Directly Observe Evolution..."
Dredge
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Message 2881 of 2932 (906475)
02-12-2023 1:00 PM
Reply to: Message 2867 by AZPaul3
02-12-2023 9:39 AM


Re: Forewarned.
"Claiming to be wise, they became fools, and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man or birds or animals or reptiles."
Romans 1:22-23

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Phat
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Message 2882 of 2932 (906479)
02-12-2023 2:01 PM
Reply to: Message 2877 by Dredge
02-12-2023 12:41 PM


Catholics and Evolution
I know that. So why then do you teach (or preach) stuff that the Catholic church wouldn't condone? Lets explore a bit.
A Brief Exploration of the Catholic Position on Evolution
Catholic Exchange:
The divorce from philosophy creates an environment where both theology and the natural sciences overstep their bounds. This is most evidenced by the rationalist-materialist declaration that there is no God, while the biblical literalist tells us the world is only 6000 years old, even though God-given reason tells us otherwise, on both accounts. Answers to the complexities of life are reduced to either a material level or turned into a faith-based system devoid of reason. The Catholic approach is not an either/or, it is a both/and system. We say yes to scientific discovery, yes to Aquinas and Aristotle, and yes to the Book of Genesis. That’s far more yeses than we are given from either the scientism camp or the creationism camp.(...)First, it is important to understand that the Church makes no official pronouncements on matters of science. That is not within her authority. She promulgates teachings of faith as given to us through Sacred Scripture and Sacred Tradition. She cannot overstep her boundaries and make judgments on matters of science. The only time she formally responds to scientific matters is when theological or spiritual issues are involved. Popes and theologians discuss scientific discoveries, but the Church has no official position on any scientific theory. Which leads us to the Church’s first discussion of evolution.
So if the Church has no position on any scientific theory, why is it that you seem to?

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AZPaul3
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Message 2883 of 2932 (906483)
02-12-2023 2:14 PM
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02-12-2023 1:00 PM


Re: Forewarned.
“Knowing of wisdom we became scholars eschewing the icons of myth and fantasy relegating deity to the void.”
AZPaul3 212:23

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Phat
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Message 2884 of 2932 (906485)
02-12-2023 2:28 PM
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02-12-2023 2:14 PM


Re: Forewarned.
Were you quoting St.Darwin?

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AZPaul3
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Message 2885 of 2932 (906487)
02-12-2023 2:53 PM
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02-12-2023 2:28 PM


Re: Forewarned.
A citation was clearly given.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Kleinman
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Message 2886 of 2932 (906488)
02-12-2023 3:05 PM
Reply to: Message 2883 by AZPaul3
02-12-2023 2:14 PM


Re: Forewarned.
AZPaul3:
“Knowing of wisdom we became scholars eschewing the icons of myth and fantasy relegating deity to the void.”

AZPaul3 212:23
The great scholar Paul will now explain how drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail. That is if he can take time away from his warmongering.

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AZPaul3
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Message 2887 of 2932 (906489)
02-12-2023 3:16 PM
Reply to: Message 2886 by Kleinman
02-12-2023 3:05 PM


Re: Forewarned.
No, He won't.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Phat
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Message 2888 of 2932 (906490)
02-12-2023 3:27 PM
Reply to: Message 2857 by Kleinman
02-09-2023 2:54 PM


A Legend In His Own Mind?
Kishony and Lenski ...yada yada yada
Though the mathematics that describes biological evolution is not that difficult, it is way over your head and the same applies to biologists. Otherwise, they would have described how drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail.
So now your God given math skills are way over everyone's head? I suppose you humbly give credit to the good Lord for blessing you with such divine intelligence. Or more likely, you are seeking web searches to finally validate your God given gift that no biologist nor layman throughout the land can understand. NEWSFLASH: We don't care. We see you proving nothing. We just see you going on and on either for personal amusement or to get your name out there through web searches. Am I wrong?

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Phat
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Message 2889 of 2932 (906491)
02-12-2023 3:29 PM
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02-12-2023 3:16 PM


WarMongering
Warmongering? Did you start an uprising in Arizona or something??

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AZPaul3
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Message 2890 of 2932 (906492)
02-12-2023 3:32 PM
Reply to: Message 2889 by Phat
02-12-2023 3:29 PM


Re: WarMongering
I monger wars over the internet as a side gig to retirement.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Kleinman
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Message 2891 of 2932 (906493)
02-12-2023 3:51 PM
Reply to: Message 2887 by AZPaul3
02-12-2023 3:16 PM


Re: Forewarned.
AZPaul3:
No, He won't.
Of course, AZPaul3 won't explain how drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail. AZPaul3 is a stooge and a tool for myth writers.

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Kleinman
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Message 2892 of 2932 (906494)
02-12-2023 3:54 PM
Reply to: Message 2888 by Phat
02-12-2023 3:27 PM


Re: A Legend In His Own Mind?
Phat:
So now your God given math skills are way over everyone's head? I suppose you humbly give credit to the good Lord for blessing you with such divine intelligence. Or more likely, you are seeking web searches to finally validate your God given gift that no biologist nor layman throughout the land can understand. NEWSFLASH: We don't care. We see you proving nothing. We just see you going on and on either for personal amusement or to get your name out there through web searches. Am I wrong?
My math skills are God-given, so you are right about that. But you are wrong that it is over everyone's head. Ask dwise1 and Taq and the peer-reviewers of these papers:
For a single selection pressure:
The basic science and mathematics of random mutation and natural selection
And for multiple simultaneous selection pressures:
The mathematics of random mutation and natural selection for multiple simultaneous selection pressures and the evolution of antimicrobial drug resistance
(That's your cue for you to be a stooge, AZPaul3.)
You don't care about people suffering from drug resistant infections or failed cancer treatments but I do. You should be ashamed of your indifference to the suffering of these people, but you aren't.

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Kleinman
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Message 2893 of 2932 (906495)
02-12-2023 3:56 PM
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02-12-2023 3:32 PM


Re: WarMongering
AZPaul3:
I monger wars over the internet as a side gig to retirement.
You also have a gig as a stooge and a tool for myth writers. Were your parents playing a joke on you when they named you Paul?

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AZPaul3
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Message 2894 of 2932 (906496)
02-12-2023 4:00 PM
Reply to: Message 2892 by Kleinman
02-12-2023 3:54 PM


Re: A Legend In His Own Mind?
(That's your cue for you to be a stooge, AZPaul3.)
I'm on it.
For a single selection pressure:
The basic science and mathematics of random mutation and natural selection
And for multiple simultaneous selection pressures:
The mathematics of random mutation and natural selection for multiple simultaneous selection pressures and the evolution of antimicrobial drug resistance
CAUTION: The listed papers above are considered to be bogus, filled with incorrect math and inappropriate conclusions.

The reader is advised to disregard their content as well as their author.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Kleinman
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Message 2895 of 2932 (906497)
02-12-2023 4:14 PM
Reply to: Message 2894 by AZPaul3
02-12-2023 4:00 PM


Re: A Legend In His Own Mind?
Kleinman:
(That's your cue for you to be a stooge, AZPaul3.)
AZPaul3:
(That's your cue for you to be a stooge, AZPaul3.)
Kleinman:
For a single selection pressure:
The basic science and mathematics of random mutation and natural selection
And for multiple simultaneous selection pressures:
The mathematics of random mutation and natural selection for multiple simultaneous selection pressures and the evolution of antimicrobial drug resistance
AZPaul3:
CAUTION: The listed papers above are considered to be bogus, filled with incorrect math and inappropriate conclusions.

The reader is advised to disregard their content as well as their author.



CAUTION: AZPaul3 knows nothing about evolution, physics, or mathematics. He is a stooge for people who think that humans are related to bacteria but can't explain how drug resistance evolves or why cancer treatments fail.
You still haven't told us whether your parents were playing a joke on you when they named you Paul.

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