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Author Topic:   Rebuttal To Creationists - "Since We Can't Directly Observe Evolution..."
Kleinman
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Message 2851 of 2926 (906135)
02-07-2023 1:24 PM
Reply to: Message 2850 by ringo
02-07-2023 12:34 PM


Re: Forewarned.
Kleinman:
Are you going to tell them how drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail? You could tell them how you are related to the bacteria they used in their experiments.
ringo:
I don't need to tell them what they already know.

You read it in one of the imaginary links that you never post.
ringo:
What's the term for diagnosing somebody from a distance with no relevant input?
Kleinman:
It's called "folie à ringo".
ringo:
So you have "folie à ringo"? I suspect you didn't understand the question.


You are the one that imagines you are related to bacteria. And given enough time bacteria will turn into cowboys. Perhaps they will redo "The Quick and the Dead" and call it "The Gunfight at the OK Petri Dish"?
ringo:
The issue here is whether or not you can recognize your own grandparents.
Kleinman:
I'm sure they don't look like your relatives.
ringo:
I think they probably do. Have you lost the plot completely?


According to you, your relatives get around using flagella. This is called "folie à ringo".

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ringo
Member (Idle past 381 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 2852 of 2926 (906241)
02-09-2023 11:36 AM
Reply to: Message 2851 by Kleinman
02-07-2023 1:24 PM


Re: Forewarned.
Kleinman writes:
You read it in one of the imaginary links that you never post.
Anybody can find the links themselves.
Kleinman writes:
You are the one that imagines you are related to bacteria.
It's a fact. The evidence is DNA.
Kleinman writes:
And given enough time bacteria will turn into cowboys.
For the umptieth time, common ancestors turn into bacteria and humans. It is not a direct line from bacteria to humans. Learn the difference between grandparents and cousins.
Kleinman writes:
According to you, your relatives get around using flagella. This is called "folie à ringo".
You can't even make up your mind whether it's a ringo or a pluiseurs. You were right the first time. In fact, it isn't even a pluiseurs, it's a tous.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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Kleinman
Member (Idle past 304 days)
Posts: 2142
From: United States
Joined: 10-06-2016


Message 2853 of 2926 (906265)
02-09-2023 12:52 PM
Reply to: Message 2852 by ringo
02-09-2023 11:36 AM


Re: Forewarned.
Kleinman:
You read it in one of the imaginary links that you never post.
ringo:
Anybody can find the links themselves.

Then you would post those links. But you don't because they don't exist. The Kishony and Lenski experiments do exist but the delusional ignore them because they reveal their delusion and explain how descent with modification and biological evolution works.
Kleinman:
You are the one that imagines you are related to bacteria.
ringo:
It's a fact. The evidence is DNA.

All you know is what mathematically incompetent and ignorant of the laws of physics biologists have indoctrinated you with. You have been brainwashed.
Kleinman:
And given enough time bacteria will turn into cowboys.
ringo:
For the umptieth time, common ancestors turn into bacteria and humans. It is not a direct line from bacteria to humans. Learn the difference between grandparents and cousins.

You can't even explain how drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail. But in your brainwashed mind, you think you know what the line is between bacteria and humans. You are living in a fantasy movie script.
Kleinman:
According to you, your relatives get around using flagella. This is called "folie à ringo".
ringo:
You can't even make up your mind whether it's a ringo or a pluiseurs. You were right the first time. In fact, it isn't even a pluiseurs, it's a tous.

Any way you want to number it ringo, you are delusional. That's why you don't want to try and understand the Kishony and Lenski experiments and are unable to explain how drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail. You would rather live in your delusions.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 381 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 2854 of 2926 (906271)
02-09-2023 1:03 PM
Reply to: Message 2853 by Kleinman
02-09-2023 12:52 PM


Re: Forewarned.
Kleinman writes:
The Kishony and Lenski experiments do exist but the delusional ignore them...
Kishony and Lenski are biologists and you think all biologists are incompetent. So why do you keep bringing them up?
Kleinman writes:
All you know is what mathematically incompetent and ignorant of the laws of physics biologists have indoctrinated you with.
Nope. Everything I have said about YOUR ignorance of mathematics comes from me alone, nothing from anything resembling indoctrination.
Kleinman writes:
That's why you don't want to try and understand the Kishony and Lenski experiments...
Again, why do YOU keep touting Kishony and Lenski when you say they're nothing but incompetent biologists?

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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Kleinman
Member (Idle past 304 days)
Posts: 2142
From: United States
Joined: 10-06-2016


Message 2855 of 2926 (906278)
02-09-2023 1:23 PM
Reply to: Message 2854 by ringo
02-09-2023 1:03 PM


Re: Forewarned.
Kleinman:
The Kishony and Lenski experiments do exist but the delusional ignore them...
ringo:
Kishony and Lenski are biologists and you think all biologists are incompetent. So why do you keep bringing them up?

I said they were mathematically incompetent and didn't understand the laws of physics. That doesn't mean they can't be good lab techs. They just don't understand how the laws of physics apply to their experiments. If they did, they would know how to do the mathematics of their own experiments.
Kleinman:
All you know is what mathematically incompetent and ignorant of the laws of physics biologists have indoctrinated you with.
ringo:
Nope. Everything I have said about YOUR ignorance of mathematics comes from me alone, nothing from anything resembling indoctrination.

So ringo is now an expert in mathematics as well as being a cowboy. You can't even do a simple probability calculation but in your delusions, you think you understand mathematics. I've had my math checked by experts in the field. This math is easy, dwise1 almost did it correctly. You are stuck in a fictional movie plot.
Kleinman:
That's why you don't want to try and understand the Kishony and Lenski experiments...
ringo:
Again, why do YOU keep touting Kishony and Lenski when you say they're nothing but incompetent biologists?

I realize this is hard for you to understand in your delusional state, but being good lab techs doesn't guarantee that they understand the physics and mathematics of the experiments that they are performing. Biologists do many things right, but explaining the physics and mathematics of biological evolution is not one of those things.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 381 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 2856 of 2926 (906286)
02-09-2023 1:54 PM
Reply to: Message 2855 by Kleinman
02-09-2023 1:23 PM


Re: Forewarned.
Kleinman writes:
I said they were mathematically incompetent and didn't understand the laws of physics. That doesn't mean they can't be good lab techs.
What it means is that you don't have a clue about what you're criticizing.
Kleinman writes:
They just don't understand how the laws of physics apply to their experiments.
Then how can you trust their experimental design?
Kleinman writes:
So ringo is now an expert in mathematics as well as being a cowboy.
Well, I did try to explain to you in mathematical terms the difference between grandparents and cousins. But it seems to be beyond you, so I guess I can't claim to be an expert in abnormal psychology.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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Kleinman
Member (Idle past 304 days)
Posts: 2142
From: United States
Joined: 10-06-2016


Message 2857 of 2926 (906289)
02-09-2023 2:54 PM
Reply to: Message 2856 by ringo
02-09-2023 1:54 PM


Re: Forewarned.
Kleinman:
I said they were mathematically incompetent and didn't understand the laws of physics. That doesn't mean they can't be good lab techs.
ringo:
What it means is that you don't have a clue about what you're criticizing.

You are not only delusional, but you are also inattentive.
Kleinman:
They just don't understand how the laws of physics apply to their experiments.
ringo:
Then how can you trust their experimental design?

You don't have to understand the laws of physics to perform an experiment. If they did understand the laws of physics, then perhaps they could explain the behavior of their experiments mathematically, but they don't.
Kleinman:
So ringo is now an expert in mathematics as well as being a cowboy.
ringo:
Well, I did try to explain to you in mathematical terms the difference between grandparents and cousins. But it seems to be beyond you, so I guess I can't claim to be an expert in abnormal psychology.

Your explanations are silly as well as being delusional. Though the mathematics that describes biological evolution is not that difficult, it is way over your head and the same applies to biologists. Otherwise, they would have described how drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 381 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 2858 of 2926 (906316)
02-10-2023 10:49 AM
Reply to: Message 2857 by Kleinman
02-09-2023 2:54 PM


Re: Forewarned.
Kleinman writes:
You are not only delusional, but you are also inattentive.
You seem to think everybody is delusional but you. That seems like a delusion.
Kleinman writes:
You don't have to understand the laws of physics to perform an experiment.
You have to understand the laws of physics to design a useful experiment.
Kleinman writes:
Your explanations are silly as well as being delusional.
According to nobody but you. It seems more likely that YOU are silly and delusional.
Kleinman writes:
Though the mathematics that describes biological evolution is not that difficult, it is way over your head...
The basics of descent are way over YOUR head. Why else would you be so afraid to answer the questions?

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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Kleinman
Member (Idle past 304 days)
Posts: 2142
From: United States
Joined: 10-06-2016


Message 2859 of 2926 (906331)
02-10-2023 2:02 PM
Reply to: Message 2858 by ringo
02-10-2023 10:49 AM


Re: Forewarned.
Kleinman:
You are not only delusional, but you are also inattentive.
ringo:
You seem to think everybody is delusional but you. That seems like a delusion.

Not everyone, buckaroo. Anyone who thinks they are related to bacteria, no matter what path they imagine belongs to that group. That's why you won't give us an explanation of how drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail.
Kleinman:
You don't have to understand the laws of physics to perform an experiment.
ringo:
You have to understand the laws of physics to design a useful experiment.

You still haven't told us why it takes a billion replications for each adaptive mutation in the Kishony and Lenski experiments. What is the physical reason for that?
Kleinman:
Your explanations are silly as well as being delusional.
ringo:
According to nobody but you. It seems more likely that YOU are silly and delusional.

It may seem like that to you but people suffering from drug-resistant infections and failed cancer treatments is not a delusion and it certainly isn't silly. Biologists have failed to explain how this happens. And you have bought into their mythology.
Kleinman:
Though the mathematics that describes biological evolution is not that difficult, it is way over your head...
ringo:
The basics of descent are way over YOUR head. Why else would you be so afraid to answer the questions?

Take a course in introductory probability theory and you would have a chance to understand the explanation I've given. dwise1 and Taq understand it. Biologists need to learn this then they could correctly explain how drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail.

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Dredge
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Posts: 2850
From: Australia
Joined: 09-06-2016


Message 2860 of 2926 (906391)
02-11-2023 12:22 PM
Reply to: Message 2837 by Kleinman
02-06-2023 1:52 PM


Re: Forewarned.
Kleinman writes:
The field of biology has been taken over by phrenologists.
The once-noble science of biology has been hijacked by myth-makers, charlatans and bs-artists. Sad.

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Dredge
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Posts: 2850
From: Australia
Joined: 09-06-2016


Message 2861 of 2926 (906392)
02-11-2023 12:26 PM
Reply to: Message 2837 by Kleinman
02-06-2023 1:52 PM


Re: Forewarned.
Kleinman writes:
His claim is pretty strange as well. He's committing genocide against his own relatives every time he buys some toilet bowl cleaner.
Laughter is the best medicine!

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Kleinman
Member (Idle past 304 days)
Posts: 2142
From: United States
Joined: 10-06-2016


Message 2862 of 2926 (906398)
02-11-2023 12:56 PM
Reply to: Message 2860 by Dredge
02-11-2023 12:22 PM


Re: Forewarned.
Kleinman:
The field of biology has been taken over by phrenologists.
Dredge:
The once-noble science of biology has been hijacked by myth-makers, charlatans and bs-artists. Sad.

It is worse than that, Dredge. The leader of that takeover is using these stooges to deny God. They don't understand that denying their Creator has immediate and long-term effects on their souls. They have no idea of mercy and where that mercy comes from.

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Kleinman
Member (Idle past 304 days)
Posts: 2142
From: United States
Joined: 10-06-2016


Message 2863 of 2926 (906400)
02-11-2023 1:01 PM
Reply to: Message 2861 by Dredge
02-11-2023 12:26 PM


Re: Forewarned.
Kleinman:
His claim is pretty strange as well. He's committing genocide against his own relatives every time he buys some toilet bowl cleaner.
Dredge:
Laughter is the best medicine!

We should start a protest group like PETA, but call it PETRR, people for the ethical treatment of ringo's relatives. We can start by marching on toothbrush manufacturers. Think of how many of ringo's relatives you spit down the drain every day. Such cruelty.

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Dredge
Member
Posts: 2850
From: Australia
Joined: 09-06-2016


Message 2864 of 2926 (906448)
02-12-2023 9:17 AM
Reply to: Message 2863 by Kleinman
02-11-2023 1:01 PM


Re: Forewarned.
Kleinman writes:
We should start a protest group like PETA, but call it PETRR, people for the ethical treatment of ringo's relatives. We can start by marching on toothbrush manufacturers. Think of how many of ringo's relatives you spit down the drain every day. Such cruelty.
It too awful to even think about ... I will never clean my teeth again. Using toothpaste is murder!

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Dredge
Member
Posts: 2850
From: Australia
Joined: 09-06-2016


Message 2865 of 2926 (906449)
02-12-2023 9:25 AM
Reply to: Message 2862 by Kleinman
02-11-2023 12:56 PM


Re: Forewarned.
Kleinman writes:
The leader of that takeover is using these stooges to deny God. They don't understand that denying their Creator has immediate and long-term effects on their souls. They have no idea of mercy and where that mercy comes from.
Well said. I've long contended that the raison d'etre of the theory of evolution is to deceive the masses into believing that life on earth is the result of a natural process that's well understood by science, thereby doing away with the need of a divine Creator ... and that the source of this deception is the Evil One.

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