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Author Topic:   Rebuttal To Creationists - "Since We Can't Directly Observe Evolution..."
Kleinman
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Posts: 2142
From: United States
Joined: 10-06-2016


Message 2821 of 2932 (905961)
02-05-2023 3:59 PM
Reply to: Message 2820 by ringo
02-05-2023 3:52 PM


Re: Forewarned.
Kleinman:
You are indoctrinated and you are silly.
ringo:
Nobody cares about your opinion. Show us that you know something.

Why? You have already shown that your indoctrination overcomes your ability to learn.

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 2822 of 2932 (905963)
02-05-2023 4:24 PM
Reply to: Message 2821 by Kleinman
02-05-2023 3:59 PM


Re: Forewarned.
Kleinman writes:
You have already shown that your indoctrination overcomes your ability to learn.
Nobody thinks that but you.
Try not to lose the plot. Remember that YOU are the one who is trying to sell YOUR ideas to us. So YOU are the one who needs to show us that you know something. Anything.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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Kleinman
Member (Idle past 362 days)
Posts: 2142
From: United States
Joined: 10-06-2016


Message 2823 of 2932 (905965)
02-05-2023 4:53 PM
Reply to: Message 2822 by ringo
02-05-2023 4:24 PM


Re: Forewarned.
Kleinman:
You have already shown that your indoctrination overcomes your ability to learn.
ringo:
Nobody thinks that but you.

Then explain why it takes a billion replications for each adaptive step in the Kishony and Lenski experiments.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 439 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 2824 of 2932 (905982)
02-06-2023 10:42 AM
Reply to: Message 2823 by Kleinman
02-05-2023 4:53 PM


Re: Forewarned.
Kleinman writes:
Then explain why it takes a billion replications for each adaptive step in the Kishony and Lenski experiments.
As I have said before, that's way over your head. You need to understand some simple basics, such as the difference between ancestors and relatives, before you can go on to more complex concepts. Answer my question first, then we'll move on.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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Kleinman
Member (Idle past 362 days)
Posts: 2142
From: United States
Joined: 10-06-2016


Message 2825 of 2932 (905991)
02-06-2023 10:57 AM
Reply to: Message 2824 by ringo
02-06-2023 10:42 AM


Re: Forewarned.
Kleinman:
Then explain why it takes a billion replications for each adaptive step in the Kishony and Lenski experiments.
ringo:
As I have said before, that's way over your head.

You must have missed these links:
For the Kishony experiment:
The basic science and mathematics of random mutation and natural selection
And for the Lenski experiment:
Fixation and Adaptation in the Lenski E. coli Long Term Evolution Experiment
See how eaxy it is to post those links, tenderfoot.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 439 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 2826 of 2932 (906000)
02-06-2023 11:29 AM
Reply to: Message 2825 by Kleinman
02-06-2023 10:57 AM


Re: Forewarned.
Kleinman writes:
You must have missed these links:
Your links are garbage. Kishony doesn't agree with you. Lenski doesn't agree with you.
And no wonder. You know nothing about the subject.
Tell us the difference between ancestors and relatives. Tell us the difference between grandparents and cousins.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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Kleinman
Member (Idle past 362 days)
Posts: 2142
From: United States
Joined: 10-06-2016


Message 2827 of 2932 (906012)
02-06-2023 12:08 PM
Reply to: Message 2826 by ringo
02-06-2023 11:29 AM


Re: Forewarned.
Kleinman:
You must have missed these links:
ringo:
Your links are garbage. Kishony doesn't agree with you. Lenski doesn't agree with you.

The peer reviewers wouldn't agree with you, tenderfoot. And where did you read that Kishony and Lenski don't agree with me? Why don't you post those links or are they just something from your imagination like your other claimed links? Your delusions are exposed.

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AZPaul3
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From: Phoenix
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Message 2828 of 2932 (906018)
02-06-2023 12:30 PM
Reply to: Message 2825 by Kleinman
02-06-2023 10:57 AM


Re: Forewarned.
Kleinman writes:
For the Kishony experiment:
The basic science and mathematics of random mutation and natural selection
And for the Lenski experiment:
Fixation and Adaptation in the Lenski E. coli Long Term Evolution Experiment
CAUTION: The listed papers above are considered to be bogus, filled with incorrect math and inappropriate conclusions.

The reader is advised to disregard their content as well as their author.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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ringo
Member (Idle past 439 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 2829 of 2932 (906020)
02-06-2023 12:35 PM
Reply to: Message 2827 by Kleinman
02-06-2023 12:08 PM


Re: Forewarned.
Kleinman writes:
The peer reviewers wouldn't agree with you, tenderfoot.
There was no peer review.
Kleinman writes:
And where did you read that Kishony and Lenski don't agree with me?
You said it yourself.
Kleinman writes:
Your delusions are exposed.
Only in your deluded mind.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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Kleinman
Member (Idle past 362 days)
Posts: 2142
From: United States
Joined: 10-06-2016


Message 2830 of 2932 (906032)
02-06-2023 12:58 PM
Reply to: Message 2828 by AZPaul3
02-06-2023 12:30 PM


Re: Forewarned.
Kleinman:
For the Kishony experiment:
The basic science and mathematics of random mutation and natural selection
And for the Lenski experiment:
Fixation and Adaptation in the Lenski E. coli Long Term Evolution Experiment
AZPaul3:
CAUTION: The listed papers above are considered to be bogus, filled with incorrect math and inappropriate conclusions.

The reader is advised to disregard their content as well as their author.

Caution, AZPaul3 is a layman who knows nothing about evolution, mathematics, or physics. He is a warmonger who gets upset when his delusional bubble is burst.

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Kleinman
Member (Idle past 362 days)
Posts: 2142
From: United States
Joined: 10-06-2016


Message 2831 of 2932 (906033)
02-06-2023 12:59 PM
Reply to: Message 2829 by ringo
02-06-2023 12:35 PM


Re: Forewarned.
Kleinman:
The peer reviewers wouldn't agree with you, tenderfoot.
ringo:
There was no peer review.

You are going off half-cocked, tenderfoot.
Kleinman:
And where did you read that Kishony and Lenski don't agree with me?
ringo:
You said it yourself.

Silly tenderfoot, post that quote, you won't.
Kleinman:
Your delusions are exposed.
ringo:
Only in your deluded mind.

You are the confused tenderfoot telling us you are related to fecal bacteria. You have been brainwashed.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 439 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 2832 of 2932 (906035)
02-06-2023 1:16 PM
Reply to: Message 2831 by Kleinman
02-06-2023 12:59 PM


Re: Forewarned.
Kleinman writes:
And where did you read that Kishony and Lenski don't agree with me?
ringo writes:
You said it yourself.
Silly tenderfoot, post that quote, you won't
I asked you to show where Kishony and Lenski (and Desai, oh my!) agreed with your (mis)interpretation of their experiments. Did you not admit that they never agreed with you? If they did agree with you, go ahead and show us now.
Kleinman writes:
You are the confused tenderfoot telling us you are related to fecal bacteria.
We all are, including you.
YOU are confused about the difference between grandparents and cousins. Are you EVER going to work up the courage to show us that you understand the difference?

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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Dredge
Member (Idle past 101 days)
Posts: 2850
From: Australia
Joined: 09-06-2016


Message 2833 of 2932 (906036)
02-06-2023 1:28 PM
Reply to: Message 2831 by Kleinman
02-06-2023 12:59 PM


Re: Forewarned.
Kleinman writes:
You are the confused tenderfoot telling us you are related to fecal bacteria.
So funny!
You have been brainwashed.
Ain't that the truth ... Brainwashed by con-men masquerading as scientists.

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Kleinman
Member (Idle past 362 days)
Posts: 2142
From: United States
Joined: 10-06-2016


Message 2834 of 2932 (906038)
02-06-2023 1:31 PM
Reply to: Message 2832 by ringo
02-06-2023 1:16 PM


Re: Forewarned.
Kleinman:
And where did you read that Kishony and Lenski don't agree with me?
ringo:
You said it yourself.
Kleinman:
Silly tenderfoot, post that quote, you won't
ringo:
I asked you to show where Kishony and Lenski (and Desai, oh my!) agreed with your (mis)interpretation of their experiments. Did you not admit that they never agreed with you? If they did agree with you, go ahead and show us now.



Silly tenderfoot. Kishony and Lenski know of my papers but they have never commented on them publicly. They have also never correctly explained how their experiments work. It is my papers that explain how their experiments work. Even dwise3 and Taq know my papers are correct.
Kleinman:
You are the confused tenderfoot telling us you are related to fecal bacteria.
ringo:
We all are, including you.

Don't include me in your folly. You have to go off in your delusions on your own. You are such a sad tenderfoot.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 439 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 2835 of 2932 (906040)
02-06-2023 1:33 PM
Reply to: Message 2833 by Dredge
02-06-2023 1:28 PM


Re: Forewarned.
Dredge writes:
Brainwashed by con-men masquerading as scientists.
Your brain, being too small to wash, produces nothing of value.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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