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Author Topic:   Rebuttal To Creationists - "Since We Can't Directly Observe Evolution..."
Kleinman
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Message 2746 of 2851 (904832)
01-08-2023 1:50 PM
Reply to: Message 2744 by ringo
01-08-2023 1:25 PM


Re: Forewarned.
Kleinman:
Now which bacteria is he descended from.
ringo:
Again... it's what common ancestor that WE (including you) and modern bacteria are ALL descended from.

I get your claim. Your horse is related to fecal bacteria, cows are related to fecal bacteria, and you are related to fecal bacteria but you don't know which bacteria you descended from. Drug-resistant bacteria are also descended from drug-sensitive bacteria and they are also related to drug-sensitive bacteria but you don't know how or why this happens. The fake cowboy seems to know what happened millions of years ago but doesn't know what is happening right now.

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ringo
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Message 2747 of 2851 (904833)
01-08-2023 2:01 PM
Reply to: Message 2746 by Kleinman
01-08-2023 1:50 PM


Re: Forewarned.
Kleinman writes:
I get your claim.
You really don't. You demonstrate that by repeating the same old same old misconception over and over and over again.
Kleinman writes:
Your horse is related to fecal bacteria, cows are related to fecal bacteria, and you are related to fecal bacteria...
WE (including YOU) are related to horses and to cows and to fecal bacteria.
Kleinman writes:
...but you don't know which bacteria you descended from.
Nor do you know precisely which anti-Roman German you are descended from. What you do not know does not determine what actually happened.
Kleinman writes:
Drug-resistant bacteria are also descended from drug-sensitive bacteria and they are also related to drug-sensitive bacteria but you don't know how or why this happens.
You CLAIM (without evidence) that I don't know how this happens but you DEMONSTRATE that YOU do not understand simple mathematics. You RUN AWAY from questions about simple mathematics.
Kleinman writes:
The fake cowboy seems to know what happened millions of years ago but doesn't know what is happening right now.
And the ignorant Kleinman claims to know that I am a "fake cowboy". He couldn't possibly know that.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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Kleinman
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Message 2748 of 2851 (904834)
01-08-2023 2:28 PM
Reply to: Message 2747 by ringo
01-08-2023 2:01 PM


Re: Forewarned.
Kleinman:
I get your claim.
ringo:
You really don't.

Sure I do fake cowboy. You fantasize about something you imagine happened millions of years ago but can't figure out what happens now. Perhaps you should apply your math, DU → MB.

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ringo
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Message 2749 of 2851 (904836)
01-08-2023 2:39 PM
Reply to: Message 2748 by Kleinman
01-08-2023 2:28 PM


Re: Forewarned.
Kleinman writes:
Sure I do fake cowboy.
No you don't. And you have no way of knowing whether I am a fake cowboy or a real cowboy.
Kleinman writes:
You fantasize about something you imagine happened millions of years ago but can't figure out what happens now.
YOU fantasize about biology when you know nothing about biology. YOU fantasize about mathematics when you know nothing about mathematics. YOU can't figure out the difference between relatedness and descent. YOU can't figure out the difference between asexual reproduction and sexual reproduction.
Kleinman writes:
Perhaps you should apply your math, DU → MB.
When YOU understand that A → B and A → C are not the same as B →C, you can try to talk to the gownups.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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Kleinman
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Message 2750 of 2851 (904838)
01-08-2023 3:03 PM
Reply to: Message 2749 by ringo
01-08-2023 2:39 PM


Re: Forewarned.
Kleinman:
Sure I do fake cowboy.
ringo:
No you don't. And you have no way of knowing whether I am a fake cowboy or a real cowboy.

Yeah, right, you are really Sharon Stone. And you don't know which bacteria you descended from but you are related to fecal bacteria. And you know this because your mathematics is DU → MB. Are you going to remake your movie and call it "The Slow and the Dumb"?

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dwise1
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Message 2751 of 2851 (904840)
01-08-2023 6:02 PM
Reply to: Message 2745 by Kleinman
01-08-2023 1:34 PM


Re: Forewarned.
Message received and understood:
  • You are still a completely clueless idiot who is abjectly ignorant of biology, evolution, how to apply mathematics (being good with multiplication tables is worthless if you don't know what to multiple and when), and just about everything else.
  • You have chosen to waste the bandwidth of 1660 messages to repeatedly demonstrate what a completely clueless idiot you are. We got that message the first time.
  • You are nothing but a mindless troll in service to your silly troll god.
  • Your ignorance of evolution is so abject that you always run away in terror from ringo's simple question (this latest from his Message 2749:
    When YOU understand that A → B and A → C are not the same as B →C, you can try to talk to the gownups.
 
 
You would understand this if you understood the effect of the multiplication rule, but you don't.
I do indeed understand the multiplication rule, which is how I know that you have no clue how to use it!
And you, you stupid willfully ignorant idiot, have such arrogance as to falsely claim competence that you clearly do not possess?
What a fucking idiot!

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Kleinman
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Message 2752 of 2851 (904841)
01-08-2023 6:32 PM
Reply to: Message 2751 by dwise1
01-08-2023 6:02 PM


Re: Forewarned.
dwise1:
Message received and understood:
Yeah right, if you had gotten the message, you would know how drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail. And if you knew how the multiplication rule works, you would know why 3 drug therapy works for the treatment of HIV and combination selection pressures work for controlling weeds and insects, but you don't. Your C-- programming has failed.

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dwise1
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Message 2753 of 2851 (904843)
01-08-2023 6:36 PM
Reply to: Message 2752 by Kleinman
01-08-2023 6:32 PM


Re: Forewarned.

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Kleinman
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Message 2754 of 2851 (904854)
01-09-2023 10:23 AM
Reply to: Message 2753 by dwise1
01-08-2023 6:36 PM


Re: Forewarned.
Your smilies and video don't help you understand how drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail. Try again.

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ringo
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Message 2755 of 2851 (904856)
01-09-2023 10:42 AM
Reply to: Message 2750 by Kleinman
01-08-2023 3:03 PM


Re: Forewarned.
Kleinman writes:
Yeah, right, you are really Sharon Stone.
I may be a fake Sharon Stone but that has nothing to do with whether or not I'm a real cowboy. Try to learn some logic.
Kleinman writes:
And you don't know which bacteria you descended from but you are related to fecal bacteria.
And YOU don't even understand what "descent" means.
Kleinman writes:
And you know this because your mathematics is DU → MB.
The mathematics is clear. And your attempt at joking about it doesn't work.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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Kleinman
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Message 2756 of 2851 (904863)
01-09-2023 10:57 AM
Reply to: Message 2755 by ringo
01-09-2023 10:42 AM


Re: Forewarned.
Kleinman:
And you know this because your mathematics is DU → MB.
ringo:
The mathematics is clear. And your attempt at joking about it doesn't work.

Who is joking? Your math is as dumb as your non-existent google search links that explain how drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail. Is this what your spurs look like?

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ringo
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Message 2757 of 2851 (904864)
01-09-2023 11:04 AM
Reply to: Message 2756 by Kleinman
01-09-2023 10:57 AM


Re: Forewarned.
Kleinman writes:
Who is joking?
Well, your DU → MB is not mathematics. You haven't even defined your terms.
Kleinman writes:
Is this what your spurs look like?
If you have figured out how to google spurs, you should be able to google how drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail. You'll see the explanations that SCIENCE has.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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Kleinman
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Message 2758 of 2851 (904866)
01-09-2023 11:37 AM
Reply to: Message 2757 by ringo
01-09-2023 11:04 AM


Re: Forewarned.
Kleinman:
Who is joking?
ringo:
Well, your DU → MB is not mathematics. You haven't even defined your terms.

I'm using your definitions and they are DU → MB.
Kleinman:
Is this what your spurs look like?
ringo:
If you have figured out how to google spurs, you should be able to google how drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail. You'll see the explanations that SCIENCE has.

You are a Sharon Stone wannabe, and that's your fantasy. And if you think you are a relative of fecal bacteria, don't let me stop you with the mathematical and experimental facts. And using your definition, it is DU → MB.

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ringo
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Message 2759 of 2851 (904867)
01-09-2023 11:52 AM
Reply to: Message 2758 by Kleinman
01-09-2023 11:37 AM


Re: Forewarned.
Kleinman writes:
I'm using your definitions...
No you are not. I have never defined D, U or M. I have defined B as a descendent of ancestor A but nothing in your DU → MB says anything about that.
Kleinman writes:
You are a Sharon Stone wannabe, and that's your fantasy.
You know nothing about my fantasies.
Kleinman writes:
And if you think you are a relative of fecal bacteria...
WE (including YOU) are ALL related to ALL living things. The observation of gross anatomy concluded that centuries ago and the conclusion has been confirmed by DNA.
Kleinman writes:
... don't let me stop you with the mathematical and experimental facts.
You won't stop the facts from coming.
Kleinman writes:
And using your definition, it is DU → MB.
Again, not my definitions. You're just blowing a smokescreen to try to hide your foolishness.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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Kleinman
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Joined: 10-06-2016


Message 2760 of 2851 (904868)
01-09-2023 12:11 PM
Reply to: Message 2759 by ringo
01-09-2023 11:52 AM


Re: Forewarned.
Kleinman:
I'm using your definitions...
ringo:
No you are not. I have never defined D, U or M. I have defined B as a descendent of ancestor A but nothing in your DU → MB says anything about that.

If you understand your own definition you could explain how drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail. Well, you would need to understand some introductory probability theory. I understand you are too busy with your Sharon Stone fetish.

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