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Author Topic:   Rebuttal To Creationists - "Since We Can't Directly Observe Evolution..."
Kleinman
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Message 2731 of 2851 (904760)
01-06-2023 5:43 PM
Reply to: Message 2730 by Tanypteryx
01-06-2023 5:23 PM


Re: Forewarned.
Tanypteryx:
Conman the Bullshit Peddler thinks he's a gypsy mind reader.
The bug chaser has going buggy.

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dwise1
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Message 2732 of 2851 (904761)
01-06-2023 5:44 PM
Reply to: Message 2729 by Kleinman
01-06-2023 5:05 PM


Re: Forewarned.
No. According to your own logic, if you yourself are incapable of being able to describe how the Internet works, then it cannot possibly work!
Your argument is complete and utter bollocks (AKA "bullshit").
In the meantime, you continue to display abject ignorance of even the most basic aspects of evolution. One such indication is your utter terror when presented with ringo's question:
ringo writes:
Do you understand yet that A → B and A → C are NOT the same as B → C ?
Please correct your deficiency. It is quite tiring to try to have any kind of discourse with such utterly stupid idiots as yourself.

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Kleinman
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Message 2733 of 2851 (904762)
01-06-2023 5:52 PM
Reply to: Message 2732 by dwise1
01-06-2023 5:44 PM


Re: Forewarned.
dwise1:
No. According to your own logic, if you yourself are incapable of being able to describe how the Internet works, then it cannot possibly work!

Your argument is complete and utter bollocks (AKA "bullshit").
Silly boy.

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AZPaul3
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Message 2734 of 2851 (904765)
01-06-2023 6:32 PM


Admin Action Requested
This thread has been of no discussion value, or fun, for some time.
I'm thinking this thing should be closed.
Admin: Request you consider closing this topic.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Kleinman
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Message 2735 of 2851 (904767)
01-06-2023 6:54 PM
Reply to: Message 2734 by AZPaul3
01-06-2023 6:32 PM


Re: Admin Action Requested
AZPaul3:
This thread has been of no discussion value, or fun, for some time.

I'm thinking this thing should be closed.

Admin: Request you consider closing this topic.

I thought there was a topic for these types of requests but I'm too lazy to continue hunting for the deeply buried thing. Sorry.
The warmonger lacks the intelligence to explain why drug resistance evolves and cancer treatments fail or how descent with modification works. All the cowardly twit has to offer is ignorance. He's the reason there is no discussion value or fun for this topic. Learn some introductory probability theory and then you might have a chance to understand biological evolution or go away because you have nothing to offer. Nobody is forcing you to read or post on this thread.

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dwise1
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Message 2736 of 2851 (904768)
01-06-2023 7:06 PM
Reply to: Message 2733 by Kleinman
01-06-2023 5:52 PM


Re: Forewarned.
It's your own stupid illogic.
And your own inability to understand even the most basic concepts of evolution.
Please at least try to learn something about evolution before you yet again make a complete fool of yourself posing as some kind of expert on evolution when you are so clearly clueless.

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Phat
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Message 2737 of 2851 (904773)
01-07-2023 7:05 AM


Administrative Requests
There was a time that I was an administrator at this site. I don't really miss the responsibilities too much as I am old and tire easily, knowing that Percy and Moose both do a fine job maintaing this site and are in my opinion fair.
In conclusion, I agree with the consensus of the peanut gallery that this topic too should be closed. Aside from the disrespect shown by Alan Kleinman towards the responses of fellow members in these threads, Kleinman is violating spiritual principles as well. He is simply repeating PRATTS and showing no desire to humble himself in any way. Also, the stirring from both sides in this issue is flaunting Forum Guidelines and leads me to strongly agree that this topic is dead in the water. Were I an administrator I would close it.

The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022
We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed

  
ringo
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Message 2738 of 2851 (904779)
01-07-2023 10:52 AM
Reply to: Message 2722 by Kleinman
01-06-2023 1:45 PM


Re: Forewarned.
Kleinman writes:
ringo writes:
keep telling you, relatedness and descent are diffrent. You are not descended from ANY of your cousins.
So you are not related to your parents?
It's becoming clear why you are so confused about biology and mathematics. You have no reading comprehension.
Yes, I am related to my parents AND I am descended from my parents. But I am NOT descended from my cousins - I am only related to them. Descent implies relatedness but relatedness does not imply descent. That's another mathematical principle that you do not understand.
Kleinman writes:
Now I get it.
No. You don't.
Kleinman writes:
Did your parents appear in the primordial soup?
Time is another concept that is beyond you.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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Kleinman
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Message 2739 of 2851 (904801)
01-07-2023 5:17 PM
Reply to: Message 2736 by dwise1
01-06-2023 7:06 PM


Re: Forewarned.
dwise1:
It's your own stupid illogic.

And your own inability to understand even the most basic concepts of evolution.

Please at least try to learn something about evolution before you yet again make a complete fool of yourself posing as some kind of expert on evolution when you are so clearly clueless.
It is clear that dwise1 has no idea why it takes a billion replications for each adaptive mutation in the Kishony and Lenski experiments. Feel free to ignore the facts, the mathematics, and the physics.

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Kleinman
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Message 2740 of 2851 (904802)
01-07-2023 5:20 PM
Reply to: Message 2738 by ringo
01-07-2023 10:52 AM


Re: Forewarned.
ringo:
keep telling you, relatedness and descent are diffrent. You are not descended from ANY of your cousins.
Kleinman:
So you are not related to your parents?
ringo:
It's becoming clear why you are so confused about biology and mathematics. You have no reading comprehension.

Yes, I am related to my parents AND I am descended from my parents. But I am NOT descended from my cousins - I am only related to them. Descent implies relatedness but relatedness does not imply descent. That's another mathematical principle that you do not understand.


At least the fake cowboy knows he is related to his parents. Now which bacteria is he descended from. Or doesn't the cowboy know?
Kleinman:
Now I get it.
ringo:
No. You don't.

Sure I get it. You know you are related to bacteria, you just don't know which one you descended from.
Kleinman:
Did your parents appear in the primordial soup?
ringo:
Time is another concept that is beyond you.

When did you descend from bacteria? Or don't you know which bacteria you descended from and when it happened. Let's give you a start, once upon a time there was a bacterium...

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dwise1
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Message 2741 of 2851 (904804)
01-07-2023 5:48 PM
Reply to: Message 2739 by Kleinman
01-07-2023 5:17 PM


Re: Forewarned.
Feel free to ignore the facts, the mathematics, and the physics.
Why should I? YOU do all that for all of us, and more!
Get a clue, you stupid idiot!

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Kleinman
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Message 2742 of 2851 (904817)
01-08-2023 10:41 AM
Reply to: Message 2741 by dwise1
01-07-2023 5:48 PM


Re: Forewarned.
Kleinman:
Feel free to ignore the facts, the mathematics, and the physics.
dwise1:
Why should I? YOU do all that for all of us, and more!

Get a clue, you stupid idiot!

Too bad that you (or any biologist) can't describe the physics and mathematics of descent with modification and how drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail. Your C-- programming certainly doesn't do it.

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Message 2743 of 2851 (904823)
01-08-2023 12:26 PM
Reply to: Message 2742 by Kleinman
01-08-2023 10:41 AM


Re: Forewarned.
Neither does your creationism and your abject ignorance of evolution. And of mathematical modeling. And the difference between sexual and asexual reproduction.
Please stop your constant reaffirmations of your own ignorance and your stupidity. We already know that you don't know anything! You don't have to keep proving it!
 
ABE:
Also learn something about biology so that you won't be so pathetic wallowing in your ignorance.

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ringo
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Message 2744 of 2851 (904826)
01-08-2023 1:25 PM
Reply to: Message 2740 by Kleinman
01-07-2023 5:20 PM


Re: Forewarned.
Kleinman writes:
Now which bacteria is he descended from.
Again... it's what common ancestor that WE (including you) and modern bacteria are ALL descended from.
Kleinman writes:
Or doesn't the cowboy know?
Of course it isn't always possible to trace ancestry backward that far with that kind of precision. We might not know which one of your German ancestors fought the Romans 2000-odd years ago but we DO know that the Germans DID fight the Romans 2000-odd years ago.
Kleinman writes:
Sure I get it.
No. You don't. You don't even get simple mathematics.
Kleinman writes:
When did you descend from bacteria?
Why can't you understand such a simple principle? WE (including YOU) descended from an ancestor that modern bacteria also descended from.
You continue to demonstrate that you don't get it.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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Kleinman
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Message 2745 of 2851 (904829)
01-08-2023 1:34 PM
Reply to: Message 2743 by dwise1
01-08-2023 12:26 PM


Re: Forewarned.
dwise1:
Neither does your creationism and your abject ignorance of evolution. And of mathematical modeling. And the difference between sexual and asexual reproduction.

Please stop your constant reaffirmations of your own ignorance and your stupidity. We already know that you don't know anything! You don't have to keep proving it!

ABE:
Also learn something about biology so that you won't be so pathetic wallowing in your ignorance.​
Program this in with your masterful C-- programming, 3 drug combination therapy works for the treatment of HIV, and combination selection pressures work for controlling weeds and insects. You would understand this if you understood the effect of the multiplication rule, but you don't. This isn't so hard to figure out unless you are bug chaser or a C-- programmer.

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