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Author Topic:   Rebuttal To Creationists - "Since We Can't Directly Observe Evolution..."
Kleinman
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Message 2701 of 2851 (904696)
01-05-2023 1:21 PM
Reply to: Message 2700 by ringo
01-05-2023 10:54 AM


Re: Forewarned.
Kleinman:
The fake cowboy wants to learn about his fantasies. The fake cowboy can't deal with reality.
ringo:
Not fantasies at all.

ringo, the fake cowboy, will now explain his fantasy of how reptiles evolved into birds and fish evolved into mammals based on his understanding of mathematics, DU → MB.

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AZPaul3
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Message 2702 of 2851 (904705)
01-05-2023 3:26 PM
Reply to: Message 2700 by ringo
01-05-2023 10:54 AM


Re: Forewarned.
I fear you may have pushed "One Note" Kleinman onto a new loop.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Kleinman
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Message 2703 of 2851 (904708)
01-05-2023 4:26 PM
Reply to: Message 2702 by AZPaul3
01-05-2023 3:26 PM


Re: Forewarned.
AZPaul3:
I fear you may have pushed "One Note" Kleinman onto a new loop.
Oh no, warmonger, it is the same loop, it is the correct explanation of how drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail. And in case you don't remember, for a single selection pressure:
The basic science and mathematics of random mutation and natural selection
And for multiple simultaneous selection pressures:
The mathematics of random mutation and natural selection for multiple simultaneous selection pressures and the evolution of antimicrobial drug resistance
Now, would you tell us how many Russians you have tarred and featherered in your recent tour? That's your cue.

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AZPaul3
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Message 2704 of 2851 (904709)
01-05-2023 5:14 PM
Reply to: Message 2703 by Kleinman
01-05-2023 4:26 PM


Re: Forewarned.
for a single selection pressure:
The basic science and mathematics of random mutation and natural selection
And for multiple simultaneous selection pressures:
The mathematics of random mutation and natural selection for multiple simultaneous selection pressures and the evolution of antimicrobial drug resistance
CAUTION: The listed papers above are considered to be bogus, filled with incorrect math and inappropriate conclusions.

The reader is advised to disregard their content as well as their author.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Kleinman
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Message 2705 of 2851 (904711)
01-05-2023 5:42 PM
Reply to: Message 2704 by AZPaul3
01-05-2023 5:14 PM


Re: Forewarned.
Kleinman:
for a single selection pressure:
The basic science and mathematics of random mutation and natural selection
And for multiple simultaneous selection pressures:
The mathematics of random mutation and natural selection for multiple simultaneous selection pressures and the evolution of antimicrobial drug resistance
AZPaul3:
CAUTION: The listed papers above are considered to be bogus, filled with incorrect math and inappropriate conclusions.

The reader is advised to disregard their content as well as their author.

CAUTION: The listed papers above are considered to be dangerous to those who believe that reptiles evolve into birds and fish evolve into mammals.
The reader is advised it will cause your bubble to burst.

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Theodoric
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Message 2706 of 2851 (904718)
01-05-2023 9:20 PM
Reply to: Message 2705 by Kleinman
01-05-2023 5:42 PM


Re: Forewarned.
Name one person that believes that.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Tanypteryx
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Message 2707 of 2851 (904721)
01-05-2023 9:35 PM
Reply to: Message 2706 by Theodoric
01-05-2023 9:20 PM


Re: Forewarned.
Kleinman the Bullshit Peddler.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Kleinman
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Message 2708 of 2851 (904722)
01-06-2023 9:59 AM
Reply to: Message 2706 by Theodoric
01-05-2023 9:20 PM


Re: Forewarned.
Theodoric:
Name one person that believes that.
Name one person that can explain how drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail.

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Kleinman
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Message 2709 of 2851 (904723)
01-06-2023 10:00 AM
Reply to: Message 2707 by Tanypteryx
01-05-2023 9:35 PM


Re: Forewarned.
Tanypteryx:
Kleinman the Bullshit Peddler.
Tany will now explain how drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail. Of course, that's a joke, Tany thinks that humans have had 200,000 retroviral infections that have done no harm. Chasing bugs has taught him so much about biology. Tell us about your dead bug collection where you put them in life-like poses.

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AlexCaledin
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Message 2710 of 2851 (904725)
01-06-2023 10:57 AM


If the best deisigners use computer design, sure, God does too!
But God's Computer is simply part of His mind, the software is the spiritual realm.
The ancient shamans of India contacted the spirits and they told them about evolution - because those spirits were software instruments used for Creation.

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ringo
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Message 2711 of 2851 (904726)
01-06-2023 11:03 AM
Reply to: Message 2701 by Kleinman
01-05-2023 1:21 PM


Re: Forewarned.
Kleinman writes:
ringo, the fake cowboy, will now explain his fantasy of how reptiles evolved into birds and fish evolved into mammals...
That's YOUR fantasy. Nobody but YOU has suggested that. I have tried to point out to you the mathematical error YOU are making but you refuse to tell us where you came up with such an idea.
If you like to teach, TEACH. Tell us where you got the idea that ANYBODY thinks reptiles evolved into birds and fish evolved into mammals.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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Message 2712 of 2851 (904727)
01-06-2023 11:11 AM
Reply to: Message 2705 by Kleinman
01-05-2023 5:42 PM


Re: Forewarned.
Kleinman writes:
CAUTION: The listed papers above are considered to be dangerous to those who believe that reptiles evolve into birds and fish evolve into mammals.

The reader is advised it will cause your bubble to burst.
NOBODY believes that reptiles evolve into birds and fish evolve into mammals, except YOU. So your "papers" are dangerous to nobody but you.
Your fantasy about antimicrobial drugs resistance are the same as your fantasies about birds and mammals - worthless.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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Theodoric
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Message 2713 of 2851 (904730)
01-06-2023 11:27 AM
Reply to: Message 2708 by Kleinman
01-06-2023 9:59 AM


Re: Forewarned.
I am not making any claims on knowledge of that subject. You are making claims about what I asked you.
I have not heard the rubber and glue argument since I was in elementary school. But you seem to have adopted it as your only argument.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Kleinman
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Message 2714 of 2851 (904734)
01-06-2023 11:51 AM
Reply to: Message 2710 by AlexCaledin
01-06-2023 10:57 AM


AlexCaledin:
If the best deisigners use computer design, sure, God does too!
But God's Computer is simply part of His mind, the software is the spiritual realm.
The ancient shamans of India contacted the spirits and they told them about evolution - because those spirits were software instruments used for Creation.
Welcome to the discussion. There certainly is logic to what is going on, but don't expect that from most of the posters.

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Kleinman
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Message 2715 of 2851 (904736)
01-06-2023 11:52 AM
Reply to: Message 2711 by ringo
01-06-2023 11:03 AM


Re: Forewarned.
Kleinman:
ringo, the fake cowboy, will now explain his fantasy of how reptiles evolved into birds and fish evolved into mammals...
ringo:
That's YOUR fantasy. Nobody but YOU has suggested that. I have tried to point out to you the mathematical error YOU are making but you refuse to tell us where you came up with such an idea.

If you like to teach, TEACH. Tell us where you got the idea that ANYBODY thinks reptiles evolved into birds and fish evolved into mammals.

The fake cowboy thinks he has a point. He is related to fecal bacteria but not descended from fecal bacteria. You really don't like your relatives because every time you relieve yourself, you flush your relatives away. So tell us pea shooter, which bacteria are you descended from?
Message 2712
Kleinman:
CAUTION: The listed papers above are considered to be dangerous to those who believe that reptiles evolve into birds and fish evolve into mammals.

The reader is advised it will cause your bubble to burst.
ringo:
NOBODY believes that reptiles evolve into birds and fish evolve into mammals, except YOU. So your "papers" are dangerous to nobody but you.

Your fantasy about antimicrobial drugs resistance are the same as your fantasies about birds and mammals - worthless.

Just because you believe you are related to fecal bacteria doesn't mean you know how drug resistance evolves or why cancer treatments fail. My papers are dangerous, they cause your bubbles to burst.

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