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Author Topic:   Rebuttal To Creationists - "Since We Can't Directly Observe Evolution..."
ringo
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Message 2686 of 2851 (904628)
01-03-2023 12:00 PM
Reply to: Message 2685 by Kleinman
01-03-2023 11:47 AM


Re: Forewarned.
Kleinman writes:
Now the fake cowboy thinks he knows what is in everyone's mind.
I can read what everybody posts.
Kleinman writes:
In the meantime, keep on with your mathematically irrational fairytales.
You're the one who doesn't understand that A → B and A → C are not the same as B → C. THAT is mathematics. The gibberish that you puke out is not.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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Kleinman
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Message 2687 of 2851 (904630)
01-03-2023 12:28 PM
Reply to: Message 2686 by ringo
01-03-2023 12:00 PM


Re: Forewarned.
Kleinman:
Now the fake cowboy thinks he knows what is in everyone's mind.
ringo:
I can read what everybody posts.

Now the fake cowboy thinks that everything is written on this forum. This fake cowboy doesn't read much.
Kleinman:
In the meantime, keep on with your mathematically irrational fairytales.
ringo:
You're the one who doesn't understand that A → B and A → C are not the same as B → C. THAT is mathematics. The gibberish that you puke out is not.

The fake cowboy and fake mathematician is DU → MB. That is why he won't explain how drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail.

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ringo
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Message 2688 of 2851 (904631)
01-03-2023 12:37 PM
Reply to: Message 2687 by Kleinman
01-03-2023 12:28 PM


Re: Forewarned.
Kleinman writes:
Now the fake cowboy thinks that everything is written on this forum.
I said in Message 2684, "You have not been able to convince anybody here that you know what you're talking about."
That IS about this forum.
Kleinman writes:
That is why he won't explain how drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail.
You said in Message 147, "I like teaching biologists the physics and mathematics of biological evolution." Yet you keep demanding that WE explain things to YOU.
Since you like teaching so much, explain to us why A → B and A → C are not the same as B → C.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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Kleinman
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Message 2689 of 2851 (904632)
01-03-2023 12:57 PM
Reply to: Message 2688 by ringo
01-03-2023 12:37 PM


Re: Forewarned.
Kleinman:
Now the fake cowboy thinks that everything is written on this forum.
ringo:
I said in Message 2684, "You have not been able to convince anybody here that you know what you're talking about."

That IS about this forum.

Who on this forum explained the Kishony and Lenski experiments? It certainly wasn't the bug chaser. And the fake mathematician, this is over his head, even if he wears a ten-gallon hat.
Kleinman:
That is why he won't explain how drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail.
ringo:
You said in Message 147, "I like teaching biologists the physics and mathematics of biological evolution." Yet you keep demanding that WE explain things to YOU.

Since you like teaching so much, explain to us why A → B and A → C are not the same as B → C.

I have, slow fake cowpoke. I explained how the laws of thermodynamics apply to biological evolution and I provided you with the mathematics of descent with modification. For a single selection pressure:
The basic science and mathematics of random mutation and natural selection
And for multiple simultaneous selection pressures:
The mathematics of random mutation and natural selection for multiple simultaneous selection pressures and the evolution of antimicrobial drug resistance
And I have explained your mathematics. It is DU → MB. Now that wasn't so hard. Perhaps even a bug chaser can understand this. He must have gotten this in his survey of physics and survey of mathematics courses. He had to in order to get his social promotion.

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AZPaul3
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Message 2690 of 2851 (904633)
01-03-2023 1:49 PM
Reply to: Message 2689 by Kleinman
01-03-2023 12:57 PM


Re: Forewarned.
For a single selection pressure:
The basic science and mathematics of random mutation and natural selection
And for multiple simultaneous selection pressures:
The mathematics of random mutation and natural selection for multiple simultaneous selection pressures and the evolution of antimicrobial drug resistance
CAUTION: The listed papers above are considered to be bogus, filled with incorrect math and inappropriate conclusions.

The reader is advised to disregard their content as well as their author.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Kleinman
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Message 2691 of 2851 (904634)
01-03-2023 2:17 PM
Reply to: Message 2690 by AZPaul3
01-03-2023 1:49 PM


Re: Forewarned.
Kleinman:
For a single selection pressure:
The basic science and mathematics of random mutation and natural selection
And for multiple simultaneous selection pressures:
The mathematics of random mutation and natural selection for multiple simultaneous selection pressures and the evolution of antimicrobial drug resistance
AZPaul3:
CAUTION: The listed papers above are considered to be bogus, filled with incorrect math and inappropriate conclusions.

The reader is advised to disregard their content as well as their author.

That certainly was a short tour for the warmonger with fine pimples. So, how many Russians did you tar and feather on this tour? And no picture from the Wizard of Oz? You certainly won't explain how drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail.

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ringo
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Message 2692 of 2851 (904646)
01-04-2023 10:56 AM
Reply to: Message 2689 by Kleinman
01-03-2023 12:57 PM


Re: Forewarned.
Kleinman writes:
Who on this forum explained the Kishony and Lenski experiments?
You're asking the wrong question. Who HASN'T pointed out that YOUR so-called "explanation" is bogus?
Kleinman writes:
I have, slow fake cowpoke.
No you have not. You haven't even READ the post that you're supposedly parrot-squawking to.
I SAID - and you QUOTED:
quote:
explain to us why A → B and A → C are not the same as B → C
It's nothing to do with thermodynamics. It's simple mathematics.
Kleinman writes:
And I have explained your mathematics. It is DU → MB.
That is not an "explanation". It's a childish retort.
EXPLAIN it. Show HOW they are not the same.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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Kleinman
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Message 2693 of 2851 (904649)
01-04-2023 11:19 AM
Reply to: Message 2692 by ringo
01-04-2023 10:56 AM


Re: Forewarned.
Kleinman:
Who on this forum explained the Kishony and Lenski experiments?
ringo:
You're asking the wrong question. Who HASN'T pointed out that YOUR so-called "explanation" is bogus?

The faux cowboy still hasn't explained why he is DU → MB. It is simple math.

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ringo
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Message 2694 of 2851 (904651)
01-04-2023 12:10 PM
Reply to: Message 2693 by Kleinman
01-04-2023 11:19 AM


Re: Forewarned.
Kleinman writes:
The faux cowboy still hasn't explained why he is DU → MB.
You said you like to teach.
Teach.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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Kleinman
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Message 2695 of 2851 (904653)
01-04-2023 12:28 PM
Reply to: Message 2694 by ringo
01-04-2023 12:10 PM


Re: Forewarned.
Kleinman:
The faux cowboy still hasn't explained why he is DU → MB.
ringo:
You said you like to teach.

Teach.

What do you want to learn? It certainly isn't how drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail.

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ringo
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Message 2696 of 2851 (904654)
01-04-2023 12:34 PM
Reply to: Message 2695 by Kleinman
01-04-2023 12:28 PM


Re: Forewarned.
Kleinman writes:
What do you want to learn?
I have told you many times. I want to know why you are STILL wrong about reptiles evolving into birds. Nobody says that. I want to know why you are STILL wrong about fish evolving into mammals. Nobody days that. I want to know why you never answer when I ask you that.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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Kleinman
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Message 2697 of 2851 (904655)
01-04-2023 12:46 PM
Reply to: Message 2696 by ringo
01-04-2023 12:34 PM


Re: Forewarned.
Kleinman:
What do you want to learn?
ringo:
I have told you many times. I want to know why you are STILL wrong about reptiles evolving into birds. Nobody says that. I want to know why you are STILL wrong about fish evolving into mammals. Nobody days that. I want to know why you never answer when I ask you that.

So the ersatz cowboy does not want to learn how descent with modification works because that explains how drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail. The pretend cowboy does not want to learn. The sham cowboy would rather fantasize.

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ringo
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Message 2698 of 2851 (904669)
01-04-2023 7:26 PM
Reply to: Message 2697 by Kleinman
01-04-2023 12:46 PM


Re: Forewarned.
Kleinman writes:
So the ersatz cowboy does not want to learn how descent with modification works....
You asked what I wanted ti learn and I told you. Why are you ducking the issue?

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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Kleinman
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Message 2699 of 2851 (904687)
01-05-2023 10:00 AM
Reply to: Message 2698 by ringo
01-04-2023 7:26 PM


Re: Forewarned.
Kleinman:
So the ersatz cowboy does not want to learn how descent with modification works....
ringo:
You asked what I wanted ti learn and I told you. Why are you ducking the issue?

The fake cowboy wants to learn about his fantasies. The fake cowboy can't deal with reality.

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ringo
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Message 2700 of 2851 (904689)
01-05-2023 10:54 AM
Reply to: Message 2699 by Kleinman
01-05-2023 10:00 AM


Re: Forewarned.
Kleinman writes:
The fake cowboy wants to learn about his fantasies. The fake cowboy can't deal with reality.
Not fantasies at all. Reality. YOUR own statements. I said I want to learn why YOU think birds evolved from reptiles and why YOU think mammals evolved from fish. No scientist ever told you that, so I want to learn why you think that.
You said you like to teach.
Teach.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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