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Topic: Rebuttal To Creationists - "Since We Can't Directly Observe Evolution..."
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Kleinman
Member (Idle past 361 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: 10-06-2016
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Message 2371 of 2932 (902985)
11-29-2022 12:35 PM
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Reply to: Message 2370 by Taq
11-29-2022 12:06 PM
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Re: Creationist Thermodynamics
Kleinman:
You are confused.Taq:
I'm not confused. You are claiming that the Lenski and Kishony experiment are proof of UCD in the very same way you are saying that I am trying to prove UCD with the Lederberg experiment.
You really are confused. The Kishony and Lenski experiments show that UCD is not possible. If you, in your confused mind, think that UCD is possible using the Lederberg experiment, go for it. Do the math for the experiment, not some pretend mathematics like you like to do.
Kleinman:
Sure, HIV is evolving into a wookie and weeds are evolving into "the thing".
Taq:
Now you are saying that we shouldn't use 3 drug treatment programs with HIV. Why?
Why? It was in your great wisdom. Recombination will always make these treatments fail. We are lucky to have such a great and wise virologist to lead the way.
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Taq
Member Posts: 10072 Joined: 03-06-2009 Member Rating: 5.2
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Message 2372 of 2932 (902992)
11-29-2022 1:45 PM
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Reply to: Message 2371 by Kleinman
11-29-2022 12:35 PM
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Re: Creationist Thermodynamics
Kleinman writes: The Kishony and Lenski experiments show that UCD is not possible. The Kishony and Lenski experiments are not descent with modification?
Why? It was in your great wisdom. Recombination will always make these treatments fail. We are lucky to have such a great and wise virologist to lead the way. You are the one who is saying that we shouldn't use these treatments. Don't look at me.
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Kleinman
Member (Idle past 361 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: 10-06-2016
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Message 2373 of 2932 (902994)
11-29-2022 2:41 PM
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Reply to: Message 2372 by Taq
11-29-2022 1:45 PM
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Re: Creationist Thermodynamics
Kleinman:
The Kishony and Lenski experiments show that UCD is not possible.
Taq:
The Kishony and Lenski experiments are not descent with modification?
They haven't been infected with retroviruses yet, then they will really evolve.
Kleinman:
Why? It was in your great wisdom. Recombination will always make these treatments fail. We are lucky to have such a great and wise virologist to lead the way.Taq:
You are the one who is saying that we shouldn't use these treatments. Don't look at me.
It's all those alleles going to fixation. Now tell us how to do a Markov chain. You know, the one that doesn't increase entropy and doesn't obey the second law of thermodynamics.
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Taq
Member Posts: 10072 Joined: 03-06-2009 Member Rating: 5.2
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Message 2374 of 2932 (902995)
11-29-2022 2:49 PM
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Reply to: Message 2373 by Kleinman
11-29-2022 2:41 PM
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Re: Creationist Thermodynamics
Kleinman writes: They haven't been infected with retroviruses yet, then they will really evolve. So this whole time you've been going on and on about those experiments, and they aren't even descent with modification. Go figure.
Now tell us how to do a Markov chain. Don't you have google?
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Kleinman
Member (Idle past 361 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: 10-06-2016
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Message 2375 of 2932 (902998)
11-29-2022 3:23 PM
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Reply to: Message 2374 by Taq
11-29-2022 2:49 PM
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Re: Creationist Thermodynamics
Kleinman:
They haven't been infected with retroviruses yet, then they will really evolve.
Taq:
So this whole time you've been going on and on about those experiments, and they aren't even descent with modification. Go figure.
Who needs descent with modification when you have retroviruses. You got 200k retroviruses and none cause harm. Isn't that nice?
Kleinman:
Now tell us how to do a Markov chain.Taq:
Don't you have google?
It directed me to you. It said you know all about Markov chains that don't have entropy and don't involve the laws of thermodynamics. They said you were the expert. Oh great and wise virologist, tell us all.
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Taq
Member Posts: 10072 Joined: 03-06-2009 Member Rating: 5.2
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Message 2376 of 2932 (903000)
11-29-2022 5:56 PM
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Reply to: Message 2375 by Kleinman
11-29-2022 3:23 PM
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Re: Creationist Thermodynamics
Kleinman writes: Who needs descent with modification when you have retroviruses. You got 200k retroviruses and none cause harm. Isn't that nice? There goes all of your papers. Guess they are all wrong. None of them actually refer to descent with modification.
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.2
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Message 2377 of 2932 (903001)
11-29-2022 6:00 PM
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Reply to: Message 2376 by Taq
11-29-2022 5:56 PM
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Re: Creationist Thermodynamics
Yup he doesn't even understand why.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Kleinman
Member (Idle past 361 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: 10-06-2016
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Message 2378 of 2932 (903002)
11-29-2022 6:21 PM
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Reply to: Message 2376 by Taq
11-29-2022 5:56 PM
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Re: Creationist Thermodynamics
Kleinman:
Who needs descent with modification when you have retroviruses. You got 200k retroviruses and none cause harm. Isn't that nice?Taq:
There goes all of your papers. Guess they are all wrong. None of them actually refer to descent with modification.
Yep, they are all wrong, they haven't anything to do with descent with modification, except adaptation such as how drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail.
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Kleinman
Member (Idle past 361 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: 10-06-2016
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Re: Creationist Thermodynamics
Theodoric:
Yup he doesn't even understand why.
I'm sure Theodoric will explain it, just like he explained how drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail.
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.2
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Message 2380 of 2932 (903004)
11-29-2022 6:29 PM
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Reply to: Message 2379 by Kleinman
11-29-2022 6:22 PM
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Re: Creationist Thermodynamics
Om...
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Kleinman
Member (Idle past 361 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: 10-06-2016
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Re: Creationist Thermodynamics
Theodoric:
Om...
Theodoric might as well chant, it's better than his explanation of how drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail.
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AZPaul3
Member Posts: 8548 From: Phoenix Joined: 11-06-2006 Member Rating: 4.9
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Message 2382 of 2932 (903006)
11-29-2022 6:42 PM
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Reply to: Message 2381 by Kleinman
11-29-2022 6:40 PM
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Re: Creationist Thermodynamics
Om...
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
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Kleinman
Member (Idle past 361 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: 10-06-2016
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Message 2383 of 2932 (903007)
11-29-2022 7:19 PM
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Reply to: Message 2382 by AZPaul3
11-29-2022 6:42 PM
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Re: Creationist Thermodynamics
AZPaul3:
Om...
Oh boy! We've got stereo and neither can explain how drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail.
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xongsmith
Member Posts: 2587 From: massachusetts US Joined: 01-01-2009 Member Rating: 6.5
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Message 2384 of 2932 (903062)
12-02-2022 11:52 AM
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Reply to: Message 2383 by Kleinman
11-29-2022 7:19 PM
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Re: Creationist Thermodynamics
The Kleinbottle spills:
Oh boy! We've got stereo and neither can explain how drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail. Om... OMG! the Stupid burns! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccRUryUyfrU or
"I'm the Grim Reaper now, Mitch. Step aside." Death to #TzarVladimirtheCondemned! Enjoy every sandwich! - xongsmith, 5.7dawkins scale
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ringo
Member (Idle past 437 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 2385 of 2932 (903115)
12-04-2022 2:06 PM
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Reply to: Message 2246 by Kleinman
11-27-2022 2:40 PM
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Re: Kleinman Admits He's A Fraud.
Kleinman writes: All you have to do is post one....
All YOU have to do is read one. Anybody who is interested in the truth will read one or more of them and know that you are wrong.
Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie
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