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Tanypteryx
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Message 2086 of 2416 (902472)
11-23-2022 9:12 PM
Reply to: Message 2085 by Kleinman
11-23-2022 8:59 PM


Re: Resorting to spamming us
Conman the Bullshitter writes:
That's not much of a record.
Says the bullshit peddler who's only citations are his own.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 2087 of 2416 (902473)
11-23-2022 9:35 PM
Reply to: Message 2085 by Kleinman
11-23-2022 8:59 PM


Re: Resorting to spamming us
You stupid creationist!
Your brain is broken; it keeps skipping. It's unable to engage in any kind of actual thought.
Counter-challenges:
Can you explain in detail the acquisition-execution cycle of a CPU?
Can you explain in detail how MS-DOS would load an executable file and start it?
Can you explain how a microprocessor accesses memory, including the waveforms?
Can you explain the build process in C for multiple source files?
Can you explain namespaces in C/C++?
Can you explain how polymorphism works in C++?
Can you explain how Java evaluates an expression?
Can you explain how a computer divides two integers?
Can you explain how to divide two numbers in Roman numerals?
Can you explain how a shift register works? Or even just a half-adder?
Can you explain the electronics of a flip-flop?
Can you explain how a semiconductor diode works?
Can you explain how a triode works?
Can you explain how TCP works? Or even just UDP?
Can you explain how German uses cases?
Can you explain how German uses the subjunctive? Or how French uses it?
Can you explain how to lay out an octagon without using trig?
Can you explain how radiocarbon dating works?
Of course you can't. Why should you? Has nothing to do with the fact that you are a creationist using dishonest creationist tactics.
So respond to your being a stupid creationist instead of constantly trying to change the subject like a typical stupid creationist.

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Message 2088 of 2416 (902474)
11-23-2022 10:51 PM
Reply to: Message 2081 by Kleinman
11-23-2022 8:17 PM


Re: Resorting to spamming us
You fail to do the mathematics of the Kishony and Lenski experiments and you don't understand the physics and mathematics of biological evolution.
… he can't do the mathematics for the Kishony and Lenski experiment and he certainly doesn't understand the physics and mathematics of biological evolution.
... you can't do the mathematics for the Kishony and Lenski experiment and you know nothing about the physics and mathematics of biological evolution.
Me thinks Kleinman’s mind is more broken than I thought. Kleinman’s math was shown to be wrong. His analyses have been shown to be wrong. His pronouncements on evolution, genetics, biology, humanity, religion have all been shown to be wrong. With the scaffolding of his ego crumbling, I think he has to retreat into this safe place of his own misconceptions. Always the same misconceptions. It's like his mind cannot handle the disconnects between his ego and how he is perceived, which is poorly, deservedly, imho.
quote:
You fail to do the mathematics of the Kishony and Lenski experiments and you don't understand the physics and mathematics of biological evolution.
I see whenever he is challenged and knows he has lost there seems only the one thought process - run home to mama. Speak the invective. Recite the mantra.
quote:
You fail to do the mathematics of the Kishony and Lenski experiments and you don't understand the physics and mathematics of biological evolution.
I think his mind cannot function without the constant use of the crutch. Notice how often and how verbatim throughout this thread. He seems mentally stuck in a very deep deflection of reality. He has developed this into a mental tic.
Yeah, Taq was right. Kleinman is broken.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Tanypteryx
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Message 2089 of 2416 (902476)
11-24-2022 12:39 AM
Reply to: Message 2088 by AZPaul3
11-23-2022 10:51 PM


Re: Resorting to spamming us
At least he recognizes a world class bug chaser when he sees one.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Kleinman
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Message 2090 of 2416 (902481)
11-24-2022 8:21 AM


Taq doesn't understand that a phage is not an example of descent with modification. His Lederberg example is not an example of descent with modification. And he can't explain his own example. His example of a retrovirus in koalas driving them to extinction is not an example of 200k harmless retroviral infections in a germ line cell. A constant environment with a single constant selection pressure does not model a real environment so any conclusion you try to draw from these experimental examples has to be interpreted in this context. It still gives an accurate way of identifying the number of replications needed in order for descent with modification to have an adaptive mutation occur on some variant. However, a variable environment with multiple selection pressures behaves in a totally different manner than a constant single selection pressure environment when demonstrating biological competition and recombination. In a constant selection pressure environment, the most fit variants will increase in number improving the biological competition (fixation) and recombination (an adaptive event) for those variants. In a multiple selection pressure, changing environment, the most fit variant will be changing as the environment changes which will slow, the increase in frequencies of any variants in that environment that is continually changing, reducing the probabilities of fixation and an adaptive recombination event occurring. That is why, in the real situation, combination therapy works. It takes a larger population for descent with modification to adapt to two or more selection conditions than to one selection condition. It is the multiplication rule. That's why 3-drug combination therapy works for the treatment of HIV and combination therapy works for the control of weeds and insects. Taq can look for exceptions to these rules but that is what they are, exceptions. He has less than a weak argument to claim that UCD is possible based on these exceptions to the rule, but that is what his position is. Of course, he doesn't know the rules, otherwise, he could explain how drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail. He says he gives that explanation but where it is, nobody knows.
Tany's record speaks for itself. He chases bugs but knows nothing about biological evolution. He doesn't know how many citations my papers get and he doesn't know how many people read my papers. He doesn't understand the difference between biological competition and descent with modification, an elementary principle that every biologist should know, but he doesn't know.
dwise1 tries to change the subject to computer minutiae which has nothing to do with biological evolution. He should stick with smilie faces, that has more pertinence to biological evolution (which is none). But what can he do when his delusions burst?
AZPaul3's understanding of biological evolution is limited to reptiles evolve into birds and fish evolve into mammals but he can't explain the evolution of drug resistance or why cancer treatments fail. He might as well read fairy tales for what he has learned. And I hope he likes it dry, real dry.
And I want to thank you, you have increased the number of reads of my papers and citations as well. Keep up the good work.

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Message 2091 of 2416 (902482)
11-24-2022 8:29 AM
Reply to: Message 2090 by Kleinman
11-24-2022 8:21 AM


Fraud.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Message 2092 of 2416 (902483)
11-24-2022 9:17 AM
Reply to: Message 2091 by AZPaul3
11-24-2022 8:29 AM


AZPaul3:
Fraud.
Succinct but wrong. Aren't you going to explain to us the evolution of drug resistance and why cancer treatments fail? If we can't get that, tell us how reptiles evolve into birds and fish evolve into mammals. We won't get that from this C- team member.

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Message 2093 of 2416 (902484)
11-24-2022 9:56 AM
Reply to: Message 2092 by Kleinman
11-24-2022 9:17 AM


Before you came in did you let mama know you were home?

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Message 2094 of 2416 (902485)
11-24-2022 10:15 AM
Reply to: Message 2093 by AZPaul3
11-24-2022 9:56 AM


AZPaul3:
Before you came in did you let mama know you were home?
Is that all you can come up with? You won't be explaining how drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail. If you can't do that, tell us how reptiles evolve into birds and fish evolve into mammals. We want a good science fiction story.

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Message 2095 of 2416 (902486)
11-24-2022 10:42 AM
Reply to: Message 2094 by Kleinman
11-24-2022 10:15 AM


We want a good science fiction story.
Read your own catechism.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Tanypteryx
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Message 2096 of 2416 (902487)
11-24-2022 10:48 AM
Reply to: Message 2090 by Kleinman
11-24-2022 8:21 AM


Kleinman still soesn't know the difference between asexual and sexual reproduction
Conman the Bullshitter writes:
you have increased the number of reads of my papers and citations as well
The reads were us, so those were also rejections. The citation authors will be embarrassed when they find out your papers are bullshit, but I think you are exaggerating.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 2097 of 2416 (902488)
11-24-2022 10:49 AM
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11-24-2022 10:42 AM


Kleinman:
We want a good science fiction story.
AZPaul3:
Read your own catechism.

What's the matter, are tired of telling naive children that reptiles evolve into birds and fish evolve into mammals? Of course, explaining the evolution of drug resistance and explaining why cancer treatments fail, that's reality which you can't explain and everyone knows it.

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Message 2098 of 2416 (902490)
11-24-2022 10:55 AM
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11-24-2022 10:48 AM


Re: Kleinman still soesn't know the difference between asexual and sexual reproduction
Kleinman:
you have increased the number of reads of my papers and citations as well
Tanypteryx:
The reads were us, so those were also rejections. The citation authors will be embarrassed when they find out your papers are bullshit, but I think you are exaggerating.

There must be thousands of you reading my papers and that's just the reads from ResearchGate. That doesn't include those reading directly from the publishers' website or the National Library of Medicine. And don't worry about the authors citing my papers, they got it right, something which you don't get. Why don't you tell us about all your papers chasing bugs which explain how biological evolution works, all zero of them.

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Tanypteryx
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Message 2099 of 2416 (902491)
11-24-2022 10:57 AM
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11-24-2022 10:55 AM


Re: Kleinman still soesn't know the difference between asexual and sexual reproduction

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 2100 of 2416 (902492)
11-24-2022 10:58 AM
Reply to: Message 2026 by Kleinman
11-23-2022 9:26 AM


Re: Kleinman does not know asexual vs sexual
Kleinman writes:
I have the physics and the math, that's all you need to understand the Kishony and Lenski experiments and descent with modification with and without competition.
No. You need to understand the biology first.
Kleinman writes:
Here's where he acknowleged that he doesn't know why competition slows evolution in the paper he edited.
I don't see where he mentions you in that.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
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