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Topic: Rebuttal To Creationists - "Since We Can't Directly Observe Evolution..."
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Tanypteryx
Member Posts: 4443 From: Oregon, USA Joined: 08-27-2006 Member Rating: 5.0
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Message 655 of 2932 (899997)
10-22-2022 12:49 AM
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Reply to: Message 653 by nwr
10-21-2022 11:28 PM
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Re: Kleinman does not think mutations can be passed down to descendants
Good to know, indeed. I think this is his third pass through EvC and as I remember now his message and manner hasn't changed. It doesn't surprise me that there are other forums where his work has earned skepticism rather than serious consideration. When he said "National Library of Medicine", a light went off and had kind of a deja vu flash. I had looked at info about the library and there were some interesting critical reviews of the library's poor quality vetting, in recent years, because they're overwhelmed with submissions. The NLM is the world's largest repository of medical information, and Kleinman's 3 articles are mostly unnoticed amidst millions of others.
It seems to be widely recognized that he is a crank. Nobody (except creationists) takes him seriously. That seems like what happened on his prior visits here. This time it took me a while remember him from earlier, and he seems a lot more pissed at biologists because we all think he's a crank. ABE: This will give me something to mull over on the road tomorrow and when I get home I want to go read about their interactions with him at other discussion groups.
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty PythonOne important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Tanypteryx
Member Posts: 4443 From: Oregon, USA Joined: 08-27-2006 Member Rating: 5.0
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Message 691 of 2932 (900058)
10-22-2022 8:48 PM
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Reply to: Message 668 by Kleinman
10-22-2022 9:41 AM
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Re: Kleinman does not think mutations can be passed down to descendants
Pure Bullshit Gold is your theme song.
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty PythonOne important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Tanypteryx
Member Posts: 4443 From: Oregon, USA Joined: 08-27-2006 Member Rating: 5.0
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Message 696 of 2932 (900063)
10-22-2022 10:35 PM
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Reply to: Message 695 by Kleinman
10-22-2022 10:27 PM
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Re: Kleinman does not think mutations can be passed down to descendants
You're such a Bullshit Peddler. Pink Floyd is my favorite.
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty PythonOne important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Tanypteryx
Member Posts: 4443 From: Oregon, USA Joined: 08-27-2006 Member Rating: 5.0
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Message 701 of 2932 (900068)
10-22-2022 11:05 PM
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Reply to: Message 699 by Theodoric
10-22-2022 10:55 PM
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Re: Kleinman does not think mutations can be passed down to descendants
What are the chances it will come up heads again? We need a laugh cheer button! 
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty PythonOne important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Tanypteryx
Member Posts: 4443 From: Oregon, USA Joined: 08-27-2006 Member Rating: 5.0
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Message 777 of 2932 (900171)
10-24-2022 1:07 PM
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Reply to: Message 776 by ringo
10-24-2022 1:05 PM
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Re: Kleinman does not think mutations can be passed down to descendants
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty PythonOne important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Tanypteryx
Member Posts: 4443 From: Oregon, USA Joined: 08-27-2006 Member Rating: 5.0
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Message 991 of 2932 (900550)
10-28-2022 1:59 PM
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That Swishing Sound
That swishing sound you hear is Kleinman flailing as Taq hands him his ass.
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty PythonOne important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Tanypteryx
Member Posts: 4443 From: Oregon, USA Joined: 08-27-2006 Member Rating: 5.0
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Message 1018 of 2932 (900586)
10-29-2022 10:40 AM
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Reply to: Message 1016 by Kleinman
10-29-2022 9:18 AM
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Re: Addition Rule Confusion
Our leaders in our school system want to groom and sexualize young children. There is no room in their lesson plan for modesty, self-control, and faithfulness. A good description of christian schools in the U.S.
and I have my President Clinton. Yeah, Trump the serial rapist is more your kind of guy.
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty PythonOne important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Tanypteryx
Member Posts: 4443 From: Oregon, USA Joined: 08-27-2006 Member Rating: 5.0
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Message 1041 of 2932 (900609)
10-29-2022 2:04 PM
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Reply to: Message 1034 by Kleinman
10-29-2022 1:09 PM
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Re: Addition Rule Confusion
Biologists should explain how antimicrobial drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail but biologists have failed at their job. You wish. Biologists explained all this decades ago.
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty PythonOne important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Tanypteryx
Member Posts: 4443 From: Oregon, USA Joined: 08-27-2006 Member Rating: 5.0
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Message 1044 of 2932 (900617)
10-29-2022 3:02 PM
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Reply to: Message 1042 by Kleinman
10-29-2022 2:37 PM
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Re: Addition Rule Confusion
We know you like to pretend you discovered how antimicrobial drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail but biologists are the ones who discovered it decades ago.
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty PythonOne important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Tanypteryx
Member Posts: 4443 From: Oregon, USA Joined: 08-27-2006 Member Rating: 5.0
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Message 1053 of 2932 (900631)
10-29-2022 6:32 PM
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Reply to: Message 1047 by Kleinman
10-29-2022 4:35 PM
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Re: Addition Rule Confusion
Biologists are such slow learners. Well, we really like to be familiar with our subjects, biology and evolution, subjects that are clearly beyond your capabilities. Taq's the guy I would expect to be able to give the most reliable explanations in this field. So far, all we have seen from you is yammering on and on about the same 2 experiments, and flailing about completely misinterpreting everything everyone says to explain your errors, like a whiny 10 year old girl. You are a crank and a bullshit peddler and you do it online so lots of people are aware of your views. You have an amazing amount of negative peer review out there.
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty PythonOne important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Tanypteryx
Member Posts: 4443 From: Oregon, USA Joined: 08-27-2006 Member Rating: 5.0
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Message 1055 of 2932 (900635)
10-29-2022 7:14 PM
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Reply to: Message 1054 by Kleinman
10-29-2022 7:01 PM
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Re: Addition Rule Confusion
Tany, you have neither the training nor the experience to understand the discussion I'm having with Taq. At least Taq has some understanding of the effect of the multiplication rule on biological evolution. Taq's problem is that he doesn't have the numbers to make universal common descent work and he is now starting to understand that. A billion replications don't give much opportunity for adaptive evolution to operate, even if you include recombination. Try doing some homework next time you make a post. When you search for a mathematical explanation of the Kishony or Lenski experiments, you will only find my papers. Biologists aren't trained to do hard mathematical science and you are a perfect example of that. Like I said, the same pathetic bullshit, from the bullshit peddler. 60 years and you still get it wrong. A whiny 10 year old. The world is ignoring you.
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty PythonOne important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Tanypteryx
Member Posts: 4443 From: Oregon, USA Joined: 08-27-2006 Member Rating: 5.0
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Message 1057 of 2932 (900641)
10-29-2022 8:07 PM
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Reply to: Message 1056 by Kleinman
10-29-2022 7:29 PM
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Re: Addition Rule Confusion
You are a failure at your job. You don't seem to be making a noticeable difference and all that stuff seems to be your job description (antimicrobial drug-resistant infections, failed cancer treatments, herbicide-resistant weeds, and pesticide-resistant insects).
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty PythonOne important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Tanypteryx
Member Posts: 4443 From: Oregon, USA Joined: 08-27-2006 Member Rating: 5.0
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Message 1063 of 2932 (900647)
10-29-2022 10:32 PM
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Reply to: Message 1058 by Kleinman
10-29-2022 8:39 PM
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Re: Addition Rule Confusion
You are a failure at your job I suppose that's possible, but none of that stuff is in my job description. I will be sure to tell my clients that some creationist says I'm a failure, but I'm keeping my microscope since I paid for it with my own money.
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty PythonOne important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Tanypteryx
Member Posts: 4443 From: Oregon, USA Joined: 08-27-2006 Member Rating: 5.0
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Message 1065 of 2932 (900649)
10-29-2022 10:41 PM
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Reply to: Message 1059 by AZPaul3
10-29-2022 9:33 PM
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Re: Addition Rule Confusion
I didn't know you could fail so miserably in retirement. Gotta pick your game up there, my man! yeah, I know...I busted a gut laughing at the bacteria guy.
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty PythonOne important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Tanypteryx
Member Posts: 4443 From: Oregon, USA Joined: 08-27-2006 Member Rating: 5.0
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Message 1069 of 2932 (900654)
10-29-2022 11:18 PM
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Reply to: Message 1066 by Kleinman
10-29-2022 11:03 PM
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Re: Addition Rule Confusion
You are certainly useless when it comes to explaining biological evolution. You seem to be failing at that pretty spectacularly.
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty PythonOne important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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