Rebuttal To Creationists - "Since We Can't Directly Observe Evolution..."

Theodoric:

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Om...

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Theodoric might as well chant, it's better than his explanation of how drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail.

AZPaul3:

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Om...

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Oh boy! We've got stereo and neither can explain how drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail.

Kleinman:

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Oh boy! We've got stereo and neither can explain how drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail.

xongsmith:

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Om...
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OMG! the Stupid burns!

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Oh my. Another poster to EvC that doesn't know how drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail. To try and cures his ignorance, for a single selection pressure:
The basic science and mathematics of random mutation and natural selection
And for two or more simultaneous selection pressures:
The mathematics of random mutation and natural selection for multiple simultaneous selection pressures and the evolution of antimicrobial drug resistance
I doubt this will help because his education is limited to comic books.

Kleinman:

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All you have to do is post one....

ringo:

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All YOU have to do is read one. Anybody who is interested in the truth will read one or more of them and know that you are wrong.

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ringo reads papers that don't exist. That's why he won't post them. If ringo could read, he would post the following papers that explain how drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail. For a single selection pressure:
The basic science and mathematics of random mutation and natural selection
And for two or more multiple simultaneous selection pressures:
The mathematics of random mutation and natural selection for multiple simultaneous selection pressures and the evolution of antimicrobial drug resistance
See how easy it is ringo and you are so wrongo. Ask your horse, he has more sense than you have.
Message 2386

Kleinman:

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Have you ever thought about responding with the correct explanation of how drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail?

ringo:

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Have you ever thought about responding with the correct explanation of how A → B and A → C are different from B → C?

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Sure have cowpoke, read the above papers and find out how it works. Of course, your horse knows more math than you do. You will have to ask him to explain it to you.
Message 2387

Kleinman:

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why don't you file a complaint with the medical or engineering board?

ringo:

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We can have them contact you at "Department of Medicine, USA".

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You can file the complaint where ever you want. Tell them I think you are psychotic because you believe that reptiles evolve into birds and fish evolve into mammals but you can't explain how drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail. You only have the illusion that papers exist that explain this to you when the only papers that explain this, I have written. Tell them fossils tell you this is true, you have a conversation every day with them.

Kleinman:

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We can redo the Scopes monkey trial where you are the monkey.

ringo:

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Do you really think a monkey was on trial?

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Auditions for the monkey part are still open. You can tell them how reptiles evolve into birds and fish evolve into mammals but you have no idea how drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail. Tell them to read papers that don't exist, except mine. Biologists have been working on it for 60 years. They even have a very good experiment demonstrating how drug resistance evolves, but sadly, they never studied introductory probability theory and they don't understand the physics and mathematics of biological evolution. They have no horse sense, they've just been monkeying around.

Kleinman:

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ringo reads papers that don't exist.

ringo:

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Google thinks they exist

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So post the links. But you can't because they don't exist, except for these:
For a single selection pressure:
The basic science and mathematics of random mutation and natural selection
And for two or more simultaneous selection pressures:
The mathematics of random mutation and natural selection for multiple simultaneous selection pressures and the evolution of antimicrobial drug resistance
See how easy it is.

AZPaul3:

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These are nothing more than the charlatan's pamphlets for sale at the back of the room. They are presented not for information or evidence but for click count.

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Poor AZPaul3, he just doesn't like the correct explanation of how drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail. It's because his bubble has burst.

Tanypteryx:

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SPAM, he's just posting spam AKA pig asses.

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This sure make Tany unhappy. It is so sad to when a bug chaser sees how biological evolution really works. You can explain how drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail. To remind Tany, for a single selection pressure:
The basic science and mathematics of random mutation and natural selection
And for two or more simultaneous selection pressures:
The mathematics of random mutation and natural selection for multiple simultaneous selection pressures and the evolution of antimicrobial drug resistance
You didn't learn this chasing bugs or in your survey of physics course. Try not to be too upset when you learn how reality works, it's not good for your blood pressure. Perhaps you should do something you are good at like chasing bugs, science is too aggrevating for you.

Tanypteryx:

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SPAM, he's just posting spam AKA pig asses.

AZPaul3:

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I haven't had spam, the meat product, since my kiddyhood days more than 100 years ago. I don't remember it.
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Made of cast-offs like any sausage. FDA approved from forever. And it's been on-and-off popular in world society since Hormel dropped its first can.
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I can imagine in large quantities over years the stuff being not-so-good for cardiac reasons but is it any good on the palate?
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I'm thinking of finding out. For the science, of course.

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It looks like AZPaul3 has found his calling. Tany is a real inspiration but not so good on science. He would have to do better than social promotion in his survey of physics course.

Kleinman:

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The basic science and mathematics of random mutation and natural selection

Taq:

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. . . in asexual populations. Your title is incomplete.

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You are wrong Taq, descent with modification works the same way for sexual replicators as it does with asexual replicators. The probability of an adaptive allele occurring depends on the number of replications of the allele and the mutation rate, nothing else. If you think otherwise, tell us why descent with modification is not the same for sexual replicators and asexual replicators.

Kleinman:

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So post the links.

ringo:

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Why should I do your homework for you?

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It's not my homework, they are your imaginary links.
Message 2401

AZPaul3:

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And it's been on-and-off popular in world society since Hormel dropped its first can.

ringo:

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Apparently it's unusually popular in Hawaii: 9 Reasons Why Spam Became Hawaii’s Most Beloved Food
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And now, back to Kishony, Lenski and Desai.

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Oh boy, ringo is going to give the physical and mathematical explanations for the Kishony, Lenski, and Desai experiments!

Kleinman:

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It looks like AZPaul3 has found his calling.

AZPaul3:

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Go play in your room, Kleinman. The adults are talking here.

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Ok, everyone quiet, AZPaul3 is going to explain his research on Spam. Too bad it isn't biological evolution but that's too confusing for AZPaul3.

Kleinman:

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You are wrong Taq, descent with modification works the same way for sexual replicators as it does with asexual replicators.

Taq:

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The one sentence that disqualifies Kleinman from commenting on evolution.

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Since you have never done the mathematics of descent with modification for asexual replicators, that obviously makes you an expert on descent with modification for sexual replicators. So tell us, how are new alleles created for sexual replicators

Theodoric:

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This is the thing I have been amazed about from the beginning. His inability to understand the vast difference between asexual and sexual. Maybe he is not familiar with sex in evolution or as a practical matter.

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If Theodoric can take some time away from Spam, perhaps he would explain how new alleles are created in sexual replicators.

Theodoric:

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This is the thing I have been amazed about from the beginning. His inability to understand the vast difference between asexual and sexual. Maybe he is not familiar with sex in evolution or as a practical matter.

Taq:

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That's my suspicion. Even worse, he doesn't seem inclined to learn about sexual reproduction. It's almost as if he is trying to play the plausible deniability card. If he doesn't understand sexual reproduction then he can "plausibly" deny that his papers don't apply to all situations. That's probably why he refuses to engage with anything outside of his usual hobby horses. He can't venture outside of his own echo chamber. He can't even deal with a paper that discusses a beneficial mutation rate in E. coli of 1 in 10 million replications. His mind glitches and he does whatever he can to never address it. That's not part of the echo chamber, so he can't even begin to admit that it exists.

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We are waiting for you to explain to us how new alleles are created in sexual replicators.

APaul3:

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Remember he has religious motivations to show the diversity of evolution genetically impossible. Like any creationist stance, he has to obfuscate and lie to maintain his delusion.

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Just because the physics, mathematics, and experimental and empirical evidence show that UCD is impossible, don't blame religion on your burst bubble. It was really a stupid idea, to begin with. Look at how you twist the fossil record to fit your illusions.