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Phat
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Message 16 of 102 (893266)
04-02-2022 3:56 PM
Reply to: Message 12 by ringo
04-02-2022 11:45 AM


Re: A Few Questions
Its an easy persona to sustain if you are, in fact, God. It is (a) difficult if not impossible persona to duplicate or counterfeit.

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
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“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Phat
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Message 17 of 102 (893267)
04-02-2022 3:58 PM
Reply to: Message 15 by Sarah Bellum
04-02-2022 2:39 PM


All that you need to do is pinch yourself, drink a bit of coffee to clear your head, and swear off the discipline of philosophy when attempting to define theology.

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
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“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Phat
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Message 18 of 102 (893269)
04-02-2022 4:01 PM
Reply to: Message 11 by Theodoric
04-02-2022 10:33 AM


Re: Irony of the year
The real irony around here will be when the group of secular humanist intellectuals are confronted with events that cannot be explained.|

They will attempt to do so anyway, being careful to leave any "God stuff" out of the explanation.


"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Phat
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Message 19 of 102 (893270)
04-02-2022 4:03 PM
Reply to: Message 13 by AZPaul3
04-02-2022 12:59 PM


Re: Thread Copied from Proposed New Topics Forum
This anti-theistic thinking seems to invoke a bunch of fake gods in more ways than humor. We know that Mr.Deity is a disgruntled ex-Mormon who found a job in theology bashing. Just give it up and give us a sunny Sunday sundae sermon.

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Tanypteryx
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Message 20 of 102 (893271)
04-02-2022 4:11 PM
Reply to: Message 18 by Phat
04-02-2022 4:01 PM


Re: Irony of the year
The real irony around here will be when the group of secular humanist intellectuals are confronted with events that cannot be explained.

We're still waiting.

They will attempt to do so anyway, being careful to leave any "God stuff" out of the explanation.

There's no need to be "careful" about leaving "god stuff" out of any explanation, since there has never been an explanation that needed "god stuff." Not once.


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Tangle
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Message 21 of 102 (893275)
04-02-2022 4:33 PM
Reply to: Message 18 by Phat
04-02-2022 4:01 PM


Re: Irony of the year
Phat writes:

The real irony around here will be when the group of secular humanist intellectuals are confronted with events that cannot be explained.

That happens everyday Phat, everyday. Science loves it, attempting to understand inexplicable stuff is how we gain knowledge.

They will attempt to do so anyway, being careful to leave any "God stuff" out of the explanation.

So far science has rendered all previous godidits redundant. I expect it to continue that way but if it finally runs up against something actually supernatural I'm sure we'll hear all about it.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine.

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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dwise1
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Message 22 of 102 (893276)
04-02-2022 5:18 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by The Real God
04-01-2022 8:46 PM


I did it.

Oh great! Another IDiot! Their only answer is "God did it" (pronounced "goddidit!" in a single syllable). The only variation is that when God is an IDiot, then he says "I did it."

 
In the late 70's PBS aired the series, I, Claudius, in which Patrick Stewart played a curly-haired Sejanus (it took us a while to figure out where we had seen CAPT Picard before) and John Hurt played Caligula.

After recovering from his brain-fever illness, Caligula believed himself to be a literal living god, none other than Jupiter! His dialogue would be peppered with exclamations of "By Jove! ... which of course is to say, by myself." Not unlike Mel Brook's running joke of Hitler's response to "Heil Hitler!" being "Heil myself!"

Back in times BC (Before COVID) a popular OLLI lecture class was a retired judge presenting the history of the Roman emperors. In his slides he used a lot of graphics from "I, Claudius."


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Message 23 of 102 (893277)
04-02-2022 5:21 PM
Reply to: Message 7 by Phat
04-02-2022 2:04 AM


Re: A Few Questions
Welcome to EvC, "Real God." Lest we get out of line, I shall, if I may, refer to you as The All-Smitey. (Long i sound)

It would sound much more old-folksy as "Old Smitey."


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jar
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Message 24 of 102 (893278)
04-02-2022 6:19 PM
Reply to: Message 18 by Phat
04-02-2022 4:01 PM


Re: Irony of the year
Phat writes:

The real irony around here will be when the group of secular humanist intellectuals are confronted with events that cannot be explained.|

They will attempt to do so anyway, being careful to leave any "God stuff" out of the explanation.

Why do you insist on posting really really really stupid stuff Phat?

How many times have people here at EvC pointed out that unexplained stuff gets put in the "UNEXPLAINED" box.


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Message 25 of 102 (893279)
04-02-2022 6:26 PM
Reply to: Message 18 by Phat
04-02-2022 4:01 PM


Re: Irony of the year
You continue to show that you never learn.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 26 of 102 (893281)
04-02-2022 9:02 PM


I guess this has gone far enough
Message 1 of 25 (893219)
01-Apr-2022 8:46 PM

Adminnemooseus


Or something like that©.

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Message 27 of 102 (893285)
04-02-2022 10:31 PM
Reply to: Message 26 by Adminnemooseus
04-02-2022 9:02 PM


Re: I guess this has gone far enough
Now that was good.


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The Real God
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Message 28 of 102 (893286)
04-02-2022 11:19 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by The Real God
04-01-2022 8:46 PM



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Message 29 of 102 (893287)
04-03-2022 1:04 AM
Reply to: Message 24 by jar
04-02-2022 6:19 PM


Re: Irony of the year
How many times have people here at EvC pointed out that unexplained stuff gets put in the "UNEXPLAINED" box.

AKA the to-do list!

Question: What's the difference between science and "goddidit"? Science has a to-do list.


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The Real God
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Message 30 of 102 (893291)
04-03-2022 4:35 AM
Reply to: Message 10 by Phat
04-02-2022 2:32 AM


Re: Thread Copied from Proposed New Topics Forum
You need to think more of the poetry of the universe.

TRG


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