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Message 7 of 106 (893226)
04-02-2022 2:04 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by The Real God
04-01-2022 8:46 PM


A Few Questions
Welcome to EvC, "Real God." Lest we get out of line, I shall, if I may, refer to you as The All-Smitey. (Long i sound)
We all need not introduce ourselves since you are said to know ALL things, but why this war in Ukraine? Lots of children and mothers are dying for no reason.
Can you smite Putin for us, or is this just allowing human free will to run its course?
Is the Bible simply a human imagined book? If so, we have a lot of work to do getting to know you.
One guy in Canada says our only mission, basically, is to give everything we have to others.
Another guy in Deep South Texas tells us to throw you away.
I rarely listen to humans when it comes to you, however. But of course you already knew this. If any smiting is to be done at EvC, let me be the first to be judged.These guys here are critically thinking secular humanists, by and large. If you say one word about Creationism they will turn on you...but you knew this too, eh?
Finally there is another God, Mr.Deity, who is no real threat since He was once Morman.
So do you have a message for us? Make your first message your best message, Sir. (I'll be silent now)
Edited by Phat, : No reason given.

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Message 10 of 106 (893229)
04-02-2022 2:32 AM
Reply to: Message 9 by Adminnemooseus
04-02-2022 2:24 AM


Re: Thread Copied from Proposed New Topics Forum
I always used to like giving a kid a chance to stay and learn, but the liklihood is that this person is no biological child and likely a hit & run. If he has any Godlike influence in his/her mind, he/she may decide to stay and discuss his/her favorite aspects of a universe holding to the mythos and reality of God. Or maybe just ask a science question.

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Message 16 of 106 (893266)
04-02-2022 3:56 PM
Reply to: Message 12 by ringo
04-02-2022 11:45 AM


Re: A Few Questions
Its an easy persona to sustain if you are, in fact, God. It is (a) difficult if not impossible persona to duplicate or counterfeit.

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Message 17 of 106 (893267)
04-02-2022 3:58 PM
Reply to: Message 15 by Sarah Bellum
04-02-2022 2:39 PM


All that you need to do is pinch yourself, drink a bit of coffee to clear your head, and swear off the discipline of philosophy when attempting to define theology.

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Message 18 of 106 (893269)
04-02-2022 4:01 PM
Reply to: Message 11 by Theodoric
04-02-2022 10:33 AM


Re: Irony of the year
The real irony around here will be when the group of secular humanist intellectuals are confronted with events that cannot be explained.|
They will attempt to do so anyway, being careful to leave any "God stuff" out of the explanation.

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Message 19 of 106 (893270)
04-02-2022 4:03 PM
Reply to: Message 13 by AZPaul3
04-02-2022 12:59 PM


Re: Thread Copied from Proposed New Topics Forum
This anti-theistic thinking seems to invoke a bunch of fake gods in more ways than humor. We know that Mr.Deity is a disgruntled ex-Mormon who found a job in theology bashing. Just give it up and give us a sunny Sunday sundae sermon.

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Message 62 of 106 (898519)
09-25-2022 3:24 PM
Reply to: Message 35 by ringo
04-04-2022 11:43 AM


Re: A Few Questions for candle2
candle2 writes:
the earth; sun; moon; and, the entirety of the
universe was already in existence before the creation
week in Genesis.
ringo writes:
That's one way to try to reconcile the errors in Genesis 1.
candle2 writes:
Tohuw means to lie waste. Look up the Word waste in
the dictionary. By no stretch of the imagination can
waste be indicative of something just created.
that's called the old switcheroo - look it up in Strong and then pick one word from strong to look up in the dictionary.

No need to do that. Here's the whole citation from Strong:
quote:
8414 tohuw to'-hoo from an unused root meaning to lie waste; a desolation (of surface), i.e. desert; figuratively, a worthless thing; adverbially, in vain:--confusion, empty place, without form, nothing, (thing of) nought, vain, vanity, waste, wilderness.
A desert could certainly be something just created.
candle2 writes:
The same goes for void-bohuw, # 922 Strong's. Bohuw
means "an undistinguishable ruin."
Again, let's look at what Strong actually says:
quote:
922 bohuw bo'-hoo from an unused root (meaning to be empty); a vacuity, i.e. (superficially) an undistinguishable ruin:--emptiness, void.
Vacuity, emptyness.
candle2 writes:
Nothing is created as an undistinguishable ruin.
But things are often created empty.
candle2 writes:
This requires a destructive process, not a creative one.
Wrong. See above.

Have you even read Strong or did you just quote second-hand from some creationist source?
candle2 writes:
There is more to support that Genesis is describing a
renewal and not an original creation, but no more
should be needed.
Neither Psalms nor Isaiah nor Job supports your perversion of Genesis. Of course the earth is constantly being renewed. That has nothing to do with Genesis.
candle2 writes:
Romans 5:12 states that death exists only because of
the sins of Adam.
Romans is wrong. If there was no death before Adam and Eve, how could God threaten them with death?

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Message 64 of 106 (898610)
09-27-2022 9:41 AM
Reply to: Message 63 by ringo
09-25-2022 3:42 PM


Preconceived Notions
ringo, replying to candle2 writes:
I don't need "my own interpretation". YOU do because you have a preconceived notion of what you want it to say. I just go by what it DOES say.
Why can't people choose to interpret scripture? If you use the approach that no Pastors are needed, any yahoo can take what is said and not listen to God at all but only the Cleverbot in their own mind. Candle may be burning at both ends, but he wants to reconcile his scientific curiosity with what his Pastor is telling him. I can feel his pain.
I also have preconceived notions of what I think scriptures and Bible snippets should mean. You know I will forever disagree with the premise that "The God" of Genesis lied and that pesky serpent told us the truth. That's the first in my list of gripes.

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Message 65 of 106 (898612)
09-27-2022 9:55 AM


Lighting A Candle?
Candle2 writes:
I want to finish replying to your question concerning
the sun, but I will have to post this in a short while. I
Need to look away from the screen for a short spell.
I know the feeling. The screen is almost as bad as sunlight. I can dim mine to an extent. Its my brain that needs the rest.
Candle2 writes:
The reason that Satan is the present God of this world
is because God had appointed him this position before
humans were ever created.
In my view, Satan can only try and sway humans into doing crazy things, but satan can also be described as greed, irresponsibility, lust, jealousy, and the list goes on and on. None of us have to deal with a devil in a red suit with a pitchfork.
Percy warns me about high blood sugars because they make me irrational. Is the devil in the details? Or am I simply being irresponsible?

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


  
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Message 66 of 106 (898613)
09-27-2022 10:05 AM
Reply to: Message 63 by ringo
09-25-2022 3:42 PM


Sez Who?
ringo writes:
candle2 writes:
Also Ringo, tell us what you think happened during
creation week.
The story is right there in Genesis 1. But it's just a story. It didn't happen like that.
candle2 writes:
Even if you are an atheist, you must have an opinion
of what you think Moses is stating.
Moses has nothing to do with Genesis1.
candle2 writes:
Without having your own interpretation of what
happened on each particular day, you carry little
credibility when debating others.
I don't need "my own interpretation". YOU do because you have a preconceived notion of what you want it to say. I just go by what it DOES say.

And I'll stack my credibility against yours any day of the week.
Moses has nothing to do with Genesis1.
You already have both God (He lied) and Paul the Apostle on your WRONG list. I'm waiting to see how many people make the list before our conversations are over.
Wiki writes:
Tradition credits Moses as the author of Genesis, as well as the books of Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and most of Deuteronomy; however, modern scholars, especially from the 19th century onward, place the books' authorship in the 6th and 5th centuries BC, hundreds of years after Moses is supposed to have lived.
I question these modern scholars. They spend far too much time on their smartphone.

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Message 70 of 106 (898650)
09-27-2022 2:14 PM
Reply to: Message 69 by candle2
09-27-2022 1:47 PM


Challenging The Status Quo
candle2, to ringo writes:
You like to attack the beliefs of others.
ringo is not so much trying to burst our faith "bubble" of certainty as much as he is trying to challenge it.
No human can tell another human what to believe. They can only challenge uncritical thought and encourage us to "throw God away" as jar used to do to me. Of course I never did (as if i even could )

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Message 71 of 106 (898651)
09-27-2022 2:52 PM
Reply to: Message 67 by ringo
09-27-2022 11:43 AM


Re: Preconceived Notions
ringo writes:
If you're "interpreting" it the way you and candle2 do - i.e. making it up out of thin air - why even pretend to be using it as your source?
If you are reading a story, you as an adult first label it fictional or non-fictional. You don't listen to some bozo who writes books and frequents Internet Infidels such as Shermer, Carrier, or Harris.
You may argue that the believer's counterparts are more gooberish than the humanist/atheist infidels, but my jury is still out and will remain out until I call them back into the courtroom. (after they have made a decision, of course, )
Anyway, Canuckistanian Contrarian that you are, must we all reach the same conclusions that you did? What if it is you who are wrong and Jesus shows up at your door someday asking for spare change?

Edited by Phat, : fixed broken link


"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Message 74 of 106 (898661)
09-27-2022 3:58 PM
Reply to: Message 72 by AZPaul3
09-27-2022 3:14 PM


Re: Sez Who?
AZ writes:
Evolution does not create planets or create life. You're showing your stupid here.
I must confess that i'm puzzled too. If not God, nor evolution, what process or method creates life? The universe is not alive, so "it" can't take credit.

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Message 75 of 106 (898662)
09-27-2022 4:00 PM
Reply to: Message 73 by candle2
09-27-2022 3:55 PM


Re: Sez Who?
Are ALL atheists evolutionists, in your opinion? And just so we all can agree on terms, what is an evolutionist? And what is a creationist?

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Message 85 of 106 (898719)
09-28-2022 1:10 PM
Reply to: Message 84 by candle2
09-28-2022 12:20 PM


Re: Sez Who?
I know what ringo would say.
He would say "so can preachers".
The peanut gallery would argue that evolution is not a belief in the sense that they believe it to be true. They are all critical thinkers and the researchers seek to always throw out stuff so that they can test new stuff. (Or verify their ideas about the current stuff)
And jar always used to ask me "How do you know it's God?". This is always a good question to steer back on course with reality. Sometimes I get frustrated in feeling as if I have to ask it every other day. Why can't I know that I know that it's God?

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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