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AZPaul3
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Message 106 of 278 (893898)
04-22-2022 4:29 PM
Reply to: Message 103 by candle2
04-22-2022 2:27 PM


AZPaul3, the Creator of everything that exist
is the member of the God family known to us
Jesus.
Your creator of everything is non-existent. It is a fiction perpetrated by the priests to control the masses and enrich their coffers and their power. Your religion is a scam.
Those who believe are mentally deficient as you confuse your fantasies for reality. You cannot discern the difference. That is a cognitive fault.
Your morality is read to you from a 3000 year old book that demands death for every perceived infraction and is an evil aberration to all humanity.
You are a puppet taught not to think but to obey. You are a slave to the church. You have no capacity for independent thought or action.
You are an automaton programmed to blindly follow the dictates of your priests who interpret your scriptures in their own evil image.
Your god is a sham. Your priests are charlatans and you have wasted your precious life in service to a monster.
There will be no reward for you in heaven. There is no heaven. When you die you will pass into oblivion just as all life must.
Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.

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Message 107 of 278 (893899)
04-22-2022 4:30 PM
Reply to: Message 95 by AZPaul3
04-21-2022 6:26 PM


Ex.3:14-15 Moses asks God what was His name, and
God replied, "I AM THAT I AM." He told Moses to tell
the Israelites that "I AM" had sent him to them.
1n John 8:56-59 Jesus told the Jews that Abraham
rejoiced to see His day.
Then said the Jews unto Him, Thou are not yet fifty
years old, and has thou seen Abraham?
Jesus said unto them, "Truly, I say unto you, before
Abraham was, I AM.
They tried to stone Him because they understood
exactly what He meant. However, He slipped away
from them.
In John 18:4-8 when the band of men came to arrest
Jesus, He asked them, "Whom seek you"?
They answered Jesus of Nazareth. Jesus said unto
them, "I AM he.
As soon as they heard this they fell backwards on
the ground.
Again He asked them "whom seek ye"?
Jesus answered, I have told you that l am he.
The words "he" after "I Am" is in italics. It was
added the translators. I is not in the oldest
manuscripts.
What Jesus said is "I AM".
Jesus referred to Himself as "I AM".
I AM:
The bread of life;
Light of the world;
The door;
Good shepherd
Resurrection and the life
Way, truth, and the life
The vine
Etc....
Jesus told His disciples in John 8:23-24 that it they did
not believe that He was "I AM" that they would die in
their sins.
John 13:19 Now I tell you before it come, that when it
is come (His death and resurrection) to pass, ye may
believe that I am he.
Again, he is in italics.
Doubting Thomas, after verifying that Jesus had in fact
risen from the dead, proclaimed "my Lord and my God."
The Father is indeed greater than the Son, but only after
all has been fulfilled will the Son turn everything over to
the Father. He will then take His place at the Father's
right hand.
Anyone who does not understand that Jesus is the
actual Creator will have a difficult time grasping the
creation week.
Only Jesus' death atoned for our sins, because He is
the one who created us.

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AZPaul3
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Message 108 of 278 (893900)
04-22-2022 4:40 PM
Reply to: Message 107 by candle2
04-22-2022 4:30 PM


You have no influence here. Your stories are apocryphal. They have no relevance to the human condition. Go preach your evil slop to the rocks.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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jar
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Message 109 of 278 (893901)
04-22-2022 6:16 PM
Reply to: Message 107 by candle2
04-22-2022 4:30 PM


Topic
Even if anything in your post was more than just typical Christian Quote Mining and taking pieces parts out of context there was still absolutely nothing relevant to the topic.
Why is it the all of you Christian Cult of Ignorance and Deceit members are incapable of even understanding what might be relevant or at least interesting in the context of a topic?

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Message 110 of 278 (893902)
04-22-2022 6:43 PM
Reply to: Message 106 by AZPaul3
04-22-2022 4:29 PM


AZPaul3, there is a lot of scam associated with
religion. There is even a good deal of it associated
with the Christian religion.
Lying televangelists have no love for God in their
hearts. It all about wealth and power for them.
The Roman Cathic Church was started by Simon
Magus who, in the Book of Acts, tried to buy the
power of the Holy Spirit. It is a filthy organization.
Christ's Church is small and not politically powerful.
Down through the ages, His Church was persecuted
a great deal by the universal Church.
Satan could not stomp out true Christianity, so
he started a counterfeit religion.
You think that a true Christian is weak-willed.
But, you are so far from the truth. The most
difficult thing that I have ever done in my life
Is to surrender myself to another. It went
against my pride. I fought it for decades.
But, I know that Christ exists, and I know that
He knows me. There is no better comfort than
this.

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AZPaul3
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Message 111 of 278 (893903)
04-22-2022 7:09 PM
Reply to: Message 110 by candle2
04-22-2022 6:43 PM


We know reality doesn't matter to you. Facts mean nothing to you. You're allowed your stupidity. But keep your evil to yourself.
Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.

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jar
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Message 112 of 278 (893904)
04-22-2022 7:18 PM
Reply to: Message 110 by candle2
04-22-2022 6:43 PM


Yawn.
Topic.
Why are you incapable of even address the subject?

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Message 113 of 278 (893905)
04-22-2022 7:45 PM
Reply to: Message 110 by candle2
04-22-2022 6:43 PM


Since your pseudo-science lies have failed so miserably, now you have fled to the last resort of pseudo-religion. Typical creationist reaction.
Satan could not stomp out true Christianity, so
he started a counterfeit religion.
Yes, which is called "creation science." Ironic ... oh, yeah, you so-called "true Christians" also don't understand irony.
If you knew anything at all about Christian doctrine, you should know that "God" is not to be served through lies and deception. So then which Christian deity do you serve through your creationist lies and deception?
You just brought up his name. The Lord of Lies, the Prince of Darkness, the Deceiver, Diabolos (διάβολος), Satan. That is the god you serve through your creationist lies.
You are such a fucking idiot!

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Tanypteryx
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Message 114 of 278 (893906)
04-22-2022 8:47 PM
Reply to: Message 106 by AZPaul3
04-22-2022 4:29 PM


Your god is a sham. Your priests are charlatans and you have wasted your precious life in service to a monster.
He's never going to get it if you keep pussy-footing around...

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 115 of 278 (893914)
04-23-2022 12:03 PM
Reply to: Message 113 by dwise1
04-22-2022 7:45 PM


Dwise, because of auto correct I originally
had a tough time typing your name it.
It kept switching your name to Disease.
I'm sorry. I'm not trying to be disrespectful to you,
but it was just a bit funny.

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Message 116 of 278 (893916)
04-23-2022 12:49 PM
Reply to: Message 115 by candle2
04-23-2022 12:03 PM


Well, I would hope to cause dis-ease in creationists in order to motivate them to try something they had never tried before, to think!
Autocorrupt is a bane on phone users. I have had to give up on sending a text and send an email from my computer instead because autocorrupt absolutely refused to let me type the correct word. I've had to install otherwise unnecessary keyboards on my phone just to keep autocorrupt from screwing up every single word in a foreign language text. With just the standard English keyboard you can type in any language the uses the Latin alphabet, including all accented and special characters, but autocorrupt still uses English. So for example when typing a German message I would have to use the German keyboard to place autocorrupt into German mode, otherwise it would have all been ganz ausgefickt.
On top of all then, when autocorrupt is acting normally it will almost randomly insert "corrections" after only a few letters thus forcing me to delete that and try again; it's a total pain having to basically type a single message three times or more. I can never understand how anyone could ever choose to use nothing but a phone for everything. Is such a massive case of masochism even possible?

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dwise1
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Message 117 of 278 (893918)
04-23-2022 1:13 PM
Reply to: Message 103 by candle2
04-22-2022 2:27 PM


Wickless, why are you dumping all this religion stuff into a science forum, especially when it has absolutely nothing to do with any discussion of science and especially with any discussion of evolution?
You keep forgetting that there is no inherent conflict between science and religion, and there is no inherent conflict between evolution and Divine Creation!
The only way that any conflict between science and religion can arise is if one side deliberately creates a conflict; eg, as religionists do when they attack science with a flimsy Putin-esque "justification" of "wanting to defend themselves from us poses a danger to us" (also used by GQP culture-war weenies). And the only way that evolution can be claimed to conflict with Divine Creation is if "creationists" hold very silly ideas about creation (eg, "no physical processes allowed!") and contrary-to-reality ideas about science (including lies about what evolution is and how it works).
Evolution has nothing to do with religion. So why do you keep dragging religion in where it clearly does not belong?
ABE:
If you truly and honestly think that there is a conflict between evolution and Divine Creation (AKA "between evolution and God"), then explain yourself! Make an actual case for that and present it! And support it and defend it!
 
NOTE: Enlarged font not being used in anger, but rather just to get past your own selective blindness.
Edited by dwise1, : ABE

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Message 118 of 278 (893923)
04-23-2022 3:16 PM
Reply to: Message 116 by dwise1
04-23-2022 12:49 PM


Quo Vadis Babelfish
I truly miss the early days of Babelfish, when you could always get a laugh translating a phrase from English to any other language and back again. I blame the demise of Babelfish and its replacement with more nuanced and accurate translators (and the subsequent loss of that comic relief) for all the anger and violence in the world today.

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Tanypteryx
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Message 119 of 278 (893924)
04-23-2022 3:42 PM
Reply to: Message 117 by dwise1
04-23-2022 1:13 PM


dwise1 writes:
Wickless, why are you dumping all this religion stuff into a science forum, especially when it has absolutely nothing to do with any discussion of science and especially with any discussion of evolution?
This is the part that has always puzzled me about creationists.
They believe all this vague mythical crap in the bible,
but spend a crazy amount of time trying to twist science,
and everything we already know,
to support the just plain stupid notion that the physical evidence we can see,
and that looks like it is the result of billions of years of natural, normal physical processes,
is really the result of 6,000 years of those same natural, normal physical processes.
Like candle, they all spout this religious mumbo-jumbo, but they don't really want to just say their "creation" is just FLASH>>>A MIRACLE!!!, instead they want it to have left physical evidence that they can point to as "proof", in their mistaken understanding of what science is and how it works.
For reasons that can only be understood by a creationist, they and the whole belief system they have immersed their lives in feel imperiled by evolution, it absolutely terrifies them.
If they just said it was a miracle, those of us who don't believe in miracles and who do use science would say, oh ok, and let them sort it out amongst themselves, but they are saying none of the science stuff we are learning is true AND that we are lying about it.
And the evidence, in every field of science just keeps building. Hundreds of different specialized branches of science all find evidence supporting the fact that all life on this planet today is the result of thousands of millions (billions) of years of evolution.
Candle and his cult won't look at or listen to the evidence, but none of them has conducted research that produces evidence to support any of their strawman attacks on evolution and certainly no evidence to support the biblical myths.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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jar
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Message 120 of 278 (893926)
04-23-2022 4:16 PM
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04-23-2022 3:42 PM


Tanypteryx writes:
And the evidence, in every field of science just keeps building. Hundreds of different specialized branches of science all find evidence supporting the fact that all life on this planet today is the result of thousands of millions (billions) of years of evolution.
It's even worse than that.
It is not just every field of science but also EVERY different independent method of measuring supporting the fact that all life on this planet today is the result of thousands of millions (billions) of years of evolution.

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