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candle2
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Message 211 of 257 (894486)
05-17-2022 3:50 PM
Reply to: Message 208 by AZPaul3
05-17-2022 1:07 PM


Re: SHOW US, candle2!
AZPaul3:
I don't know anything about this video game. However,
I have stated in an earlier post that the angels, including
Lucifer, were filled with joy when the world was originally
created.
I have no idea how long Satan had existed before Adam
was created. The Bible is silent concerning this.
What I do know is that Lucifer was the most powerful
being that God can create by fiat. Just the fact that he
thought he could war against God tells us that he is
a truly powerful being. Although those who will be
born into the God family will be much more powerful
than Satan could ever be.

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dwise1
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Message 212 of 257 (894487)
05-17-2022 3:58 PM
Reply to: Message 204 by candle2
05-17-2022 9:00 AM


Re: SHOW US, candle2!
Cut the fake religious crap! ANSWER THE DAMNED QUESTION!
As I had to repeat it YET AGAIN in Message 198:
DWise1 writes:
Here is what you are trying to avoid responding to (from Message 196 which was replying to your Message 189):
DWise1 writes:
Specifically:
cowardly candle writes:
True evolution would for example be a cat evolving into a
dog.
Since you persist with that particular extremely stupid creationist lie, we must insist:
SHOW US!!!
Show us any scientific source which describes evolution in that manner!
Show us where evolution ever says or teaches that!
So show us, asshole! Or admit that your lies are indeed lies!
And oh BTW, we have explained to you many times how evolution works and why your lie is so ludicrously wrong. In my Message 146 I pointed you back to just a few of those explanations which you refused to read!:
DWise1 writes:
I explained it to you in Message 484. READ IT! And don't you dare whine like a baby that "your phone is too smwall ... waaaaahh!!!!". Pull your head out of your ass and learn the truth of what evolution says.
And stop repeating your stupid creationist lies. Why is it that creationists have no other recourse than to lie about everything? To serve their god through lies and deception, with reveals their (and your) god to be The Lord of Lies, AKA Satan!
 
I repeated the text of Message 484 in Message 70. Read it!
The new species which form from their parent species are still of the same "kind". That is exactly what evolution says! If they were to have become a different "kind", then that would disprove evolution and almost the whole of biology.
 
You made a claim about what evolution teaches, which makes it your responsibility to defend that claim!
We are sick and tired of you fake "true Christians" who use their "God" as an excuse to avoid responsibility for your own misdeeds.
And I'm sure that actual Christians are also sick and tired of you.

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dwise1
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Message 213 of 257 (894488)
05-17-2022 4:17 PM
Reply to: Message 203 by Percy
05-15-2022 3:06 PM


Re: SHOW US, candle2!
I want you to describe step-by-step how religion has unfolded over the thousands of years, and I want you to list your absolute proofs. Anything you can't prove must be an assumption.
First, he didn't even begin to do what you had asked of him. He's the idiot.
Second, perhaps a slightly more neutral counter-challenge might be:
quote
Describe the whole of human history in complete detail. Leave nothing out.
Present it in 25 words or less, because candle2's phone is too small.
 
As I alluded to earlier, his "challenge" is similar to the well-known story of Rabbi Hillel and the uppity Gentile jerk, circa 20 BCE:
quote
The comparative response to the challenge of a prospective convert who asked that the Torah be explained to him while he stood on one foot, illustrates the character differences between Shammai and Hillel. Shammai dismissed the man. Hillel gently chastised the man, saying: "What is hateful to you, do not do to your fellow: this is the whole Torah; the rest is the explanation; go and learn."
When we learned that story in Rabbinic Lit class, it was that the Gentile insisted that they recite "the whole of the Law", which is to say the Torah, the first five books of the Old Testament. The schools had them memorize everything -- in later centuries that would include memorizing the entire Talmud, which is the size of a non-trivial encyclopedia (and has no index nor table of contents, so the only way you could use it was to memorize it). That meant that reciting the entire Torah from memory would have been doable, but very non-trivial. And would take far longer than anyone could stand on one foot.
A couple things to note about that story:
  1. Yes, it is the Golden Rule. Taught by a Pharisee in 20 BCE, a full half century before the purported ministry of Jesus. It truly is a pity that "Christians" have forsaken Pharisee teachings like they have.
  2. Yes, you did hear it referenced in the Star Trek:TOS episode, Dagger of the Mind. Note that the script credits went to one "Simon bar David".
 

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candle2
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Message 214 of 257 (894489)
05-17-2022 4:25 PM
Reply to: Message 209 by Tanypteryx
05-17-2022 2:32 PM


Re: SHOW US, candle2!
Tanyptery:
Perhaps I worded that wrong. I have seen them admit to
this on social media. If you really want to see the evidence
do the research on YouTube.
These people accepted Satan as their God in exchange
for power, wealth, and fame.
Famous magicians make deals with demon in which
the demon assists them with their magic, but after
death the magician must become their slave.
Some of these magical acts are impossible to do
without assistance from the Spirit world.
Thousands of posters that famous magicians have
had printed up clearly shows demons whispering
in their ears, or sitting on their shoulders.
What they don't know is that after they die they are
completely unconscious until the resurrection. Which
for them will be the third resurrection. Those in the
third resurrection will automatically be sentenced to
eternal death.
Demons know what their final outcome will be. They
want to take as many humans with them as they can.
Do an in depth research of famous personalities who
have sold their soul (life) to Satan and you see that
the number who have done so grows and grows.
These people know that Satan exists. His high ranking
demons literally possess those who control the means
of reaching fame and fortune.
I dare you to do the research. Take your time and do
it right. Perhaps, your eyes will then begin to open.

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Tanypteryx
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Message 215 of 257 (894490)
05-17-2022 4:45 PM
Reply to: Message 214 by candle2
05-17-2022 4:25 PM


Re: SHOW US, candle2!
candy writes:
If you really want to see the evidence
do the research on YouTube.
‚Äč
Nope! You made a claim and I asked you to show your evidence.
If you cannot produce the evidence then you are a liar!
candy writes:
Thousands of posters that famous magicians have
had printed up clearly shows demons whispering
in their ears, or sitting on their shoulders.
Show us. Prove it.
candy writes:
Do an in depth research of famous personalities who
have sold their soul (life) to Satan and you see that
the number who have done so grows and grows.
You make this assertion, but cannot provide a single name, let alone hundreds.
You made the claim, but it still looks like you lied.
candy writes:
I dare you to do the research. Take your time and do
it right. Perhaps, your eyes will then begin to open.
You made the claim, so show us your evidence, any evidence at all. I could not find anything.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Tanypteryx
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Message 216 of 257 (894491)
05-17-2022 4:48 PM
Reply to: Message 214 by candle2
05-17-2022 4:25 PM


Re: SHOW US, candle2!
I dare you to do the research.
I dare you to show us the evidence for your assertions.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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jar
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Message 217 of 257 (894492)
05-17-2022 4:53 PM
Reply to: Message 216 by Tanypteryx
05-17-2022 4:48 PM


Re: SHOW US, candle2!
Willfully Ignorant Christians like candle are simply an embarrassment and should be pitied.

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candle2
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Message 218 of 257 (894493)
05-17-2022 4:53 PM
Reply to: Message 205 by Percy
05-17-2022 10:19 AM


Re: SHOW US, candle2!
Percy, you still haven't offered one thing that
supports evolution. In fairness, I looked over
your post. I keep looking for hard core
evidence, but what I find is nothing but
assumptions.
True science cannot be built on assumptions.
There is not one thing connected to evolution
that is connected to real science.
Evolution is a fantasy land, consisting of
Perhaps; maybe; it is likely; there's a good
possibility; etc....
Life doesn't come from non-life. It has never
been shown that it does. And, you know this.
Stop pretending that you don't know this.

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dwise1
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Message 219 of 257 (894496)
05-17-2022 5:15 PM
Reply to: Message 218 by candle2
05-17-2022 4:53 PM


Re: SHOW US, candle2!
So many pearls to cast. Such abysmally stupid swine to cast them before.
(HINT: That's a biblical reference, so you are certain to not recognize it.)
Percy, you still haven't offered one thing that
supports evolution.
You fucking idiot!
Percy was asking you to please support your own claims. Not only do you refuse to ever support your own claims, but you are instead taking extreme measures to avoid doing so.
Your constant frantic attempts to change the subject in order to avoid supporting your own claims constitute hard evidence that you are completely aware that all your claims are nothing but a steady streams of lies flowing copiously out your ass! Conducting a determined cover-up is evidence of knowledge of guilt.
I keep looking for hard core
evidence, ...
You would never be able to recognize the evidence because your own lies have blinded you to reality.
Specific to this situation is your lie that "True evolution would for example be a cat evolving into a dog." So you expect any evidence for evolution to show something like a "cat evolving into a dog". Which there is no evidence of because your expectation is based on nothing but a stupid creationist lie.
And that is why you are such a fucking idiot and will always be a fucking idiot.
 
So stop your stupid bullshit and answer the fucking question!

Edited by dwise1, : Ah yes! The old   HTML entity code trick! Second time I fell for it this week!


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AZPaul3
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Message 220 of 257 (894497)
05-17-2022 5:28 PM
Reply to: Message 211 by candle2
05-17-2022 3:50 PM


Re: SHOW US, candle2!
I don't know anything about this video game.
Of course not. Like your bible it's fake. You'll believe any bullshit, won't you.
What I do know is that Lucifer was the most powerful
being that God can create by fiat.
You know no such thing. Your Lucifer is as fake as your god and your bible. You can show nothing of any fiat creation, any god or any Lucifer. This is called lying. You are lying. You are a liar.
Your god is supposed to hate liars. Even commanded you not do it. Commanded it. I guess your fantasy god must hate you very much, you lying disobedient goat.
Just the fact that he thought he could war against God ...
This is not any kind of fact. This is a fantasy fairy story made to keep your mind twisted and subservient to your priests. You can show, prove, evidence none of it. It is all religious scam aimed at fleecing stupid people.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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nwr
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Message 221 of 257 (894498)
05-17-2022 5:48 PM
Reply to: Message 214 by candle2
05-17-2022 4:25 PM


Re: SHOW US, candle2!
Famous magicians make deals with demon in which
the demon assists them with their magic, but after
death the magician must become their slave.
Oh, bullshit.
How old are you. Even a 10 year old knows better than you about how magicians work.

Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity

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Message 222 of 257 (894499)
05-17-2022 6:01 PM
Reply to: Message 221 by nwr
05-17-2022 5:48 PM


Re: SHOW US, candle2!
Oh but everyone knows that Robert Johnson made a pact with the devil. Just ask Son House. 'course you would also need the Witch of Endor if you want to do that.

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Message 223 of 257 (894501)
05-17-2022 9:20 PM
Reply to: Message 211 by candle2
05-17-2022 3:50 PM


Re: SHOW US, candle2!
You are nothing but a troll.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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jar
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Message 224 of 257 (894502)
05-17-2022 10:13 PM
Reply to: Message 223 by Theodoric
05-17-2022 9:20 PM


Re: SHOW US, candle2!
What's so funny about folk like Dredge and candle is that the Bible says all live was created from non-living stuff except for Adam's clone Steve who had a sex change and became Eve.

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candle2
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Message 225 of 257 (894504)
05-18-2022 7:30 AM
Reply to: Message 224 by jar
05-17-2022 10:13 PM


Re: SHOW US, candle2!
Jar, thank you for finally admitting that life
was created by an intelligent Being.
That same being also created the material that
He created life from.
Imagine that some people actually believe that
everything in the universe existed in a tiny dot,
much smaller than the period of this sentence.
They are gullible enough to believe this. And then
They want people with common sense to take
them seriously.

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