The War in Europe

Exactly. As long as Trump violates the Constitution in ways they approve of they will happily go along with it. It has the added bonus that congressional Republicans can claim they never voted for tariffs.

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Governor Newsom reportedly negotiating with foreign countries to bypass Trump tariffs.

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California to Negotiate Trade With Other Countries to Bypass Trump Tariffs

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Interesting article, it reads, . . . only congress can make non-emergency tariffs. Since the president's tariffs are not based on emergencies, they should not be implemented.Therefore, California as well as every other state, should legally disregard the tariffs.Let the prez bring the matter to the supreme court, if the supreme court wants to rule with the prez, let the supreme court own this economic disaster.I do not think we should obey any prez brain-fart prematurely. At the least, slow-roll EVERYthing through the courts.

He made good on his tariffs campaign promise with a vengeance. Where it goes from here is anybody's guess - and there are many worthy sages a-guessing - there are too many microeconomic, macroeconomic, and geopolitical variables at play. Not to mention the geopolitical machinations that are privy only to presidents, prime ministers and the like.

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I'll take Trump at his word that he's doing this to make the USA stronger and better. I also believe that if he succeeds he will make the rest of the world stronger and better.

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Regarding the handwringing over the economy and the stock market, things need to be put into perspective. Decades ago, Pat Buchanan, a guy with lots of controversial ideas and a few really good ones, pointed out:

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"To me, the country comes before the economy; and the economy exists for the people. I believe in free markets, but I do not worship them. In the proper hierarchy of things, it is the market that must be harnessed to work for man – and not the other way around...."

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More recently Senator Eric Schmitt put it this way:

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“America is not an economic zone. It’s not a strip mall with an airport attached. It’s a nation. It’s a people. It’s our home.”

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(quotes above courtesy of Philip Wegman in Real Clear Politics)

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Back in 2022 the now-PM Georgia Meloni of Italy, in defining her movement, declared:

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"We are the enemy to those who would like us to have no identity, to be the perfect consumer slaves."

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The USA and the rest of the world need to re-orient their thinking to these principles.

This is the The War in Europe thread. Did you perhaps mean to post this to the The Second Trump Presidency thread?--Percy

He's panicking now, mum and dad have come home and are looking quite angrily.It's ok, this all has a good chance going very bad, very quickly - but only if we're lucky.

Good question, Percy, and this was my conundrum!The Second Trump Presidency was on a different topic, but The War in Europe seems to be discussing tariffs.Either way, I'll move it to 2nd Trump.Tx.

Hello Tangle - This discussion has been moved to The Second Trump Presidency, but why would we be lucky if it goes very bad, very quickly?Sincere question, I'm interested in your analysis.

It's like herding cats.--Percy