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Percy Member Posts: 23330 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 6.1
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There's a lot to unpack here. Trump and Putin are negotiating the future of Ukraine, and neither the Ukrainians nor the Europeans have a seat at the table, which by itself makes no sense.
I'm having trouble tracking down some of the news articles I've read over the past couple days or I'd quote from them, but Trump's lack of negotiation skills and vulnerability to flattery are causing him to make concession after concession while getting nothing in return. A cease fire was agreed to yesterday that was already violated overnight. During the 2024 presidential campaign Trump frequently claimed that he would end the Ukraine war in 24 hours. And a year earlier he said this in an interview with Sean Hannity:
Trump: Current news reports are that the negotiations could stretch on for months. Are Trump supporters at least beginning to recognize that Trump was talking through his hat about how easily he would end the Ukraine war? And if all Trump does to end the war is hand Ukraine over to Russia, do Trump supporters realize that Biden could just as easily have done the same? Of course, Biden would never have done that since he recognized the importance of Ukraine to western security. --Percy
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Phat Member Posts: 18761 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.5 |
Are Trump supporters at least beginning to recognize that Trump was talking through his hat about how easily he would end the Ukraine war? There is nothing new about Trump. He has used hyperbole for years. The point that most of them accept is that he is at least trying to end the war.
And if all Trump does to end the war is hand Ukraine over to Russia, do Trump supporters realize that Biden could just as easily have done the same? Of course, Biden would never have done that since he recognized the importance of Ukraine to Western security. Biden also never cared about how much taxpayer money he spent, even if it drove the U.S. deeper into debt. Democratic and Republican administrations have both amassed debt, kicking the proverbial can farther down the road. Trump has nothing to lose by fighting government waste and likely has something to gain...dismantling the deep state spending machine that had an open checkbook for the rest of the world. When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy God alone is God *but* God is not alone~Ellis Potter We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed Critics would of course say that "God" is a product of human imagination...but then again God may well declare that all of creation is a product of His imagination! It is all in the perspective of the observer.~Phat
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Taq Member Posts: 10448 Joined: Member Rating: 6.4 |
Phat writes: There is nothing new about Trump. He has used hyperbole for years. The point that most of them accept is that he is at least trying to end the war. Trump is collaborating with Putin to get what Putin wants which is a big chunk of another country's territory. Why isn't Trump pressuring Putin to get out of Ukraine? That would end the war in a heartbeat.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9695 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 6.1 |
Trump has no real interest in ending the war, his interest is in aligning himself with Russia and abandoning Europe.
It was nice knowing you.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine. "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
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DrJones* Member Posts: 2383 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 6.7
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he is at least trying to end the war.
by surrendering to putin.It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds soon I discovered that this rock thing was true Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world And so there was only one thing I could do Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On *not an actual doctor
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xongsmith Member Posts: 2665 From: massachusetts US Joined: Member Rating: 5.7 |
Phat writes
The point that most of them accept is that he is at least trying to end the war.
guffaw guffaw guffaw!!! how gullible!!!"I'm the Grim Reaper now, Mitch. Step aside." Death to #TzarVladimirtheCondemned! "Enjoy every sandwich!"-Warren Zevon on his last DaveLetterman show - xongsmith, 5.7dawkins scale
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Percy Member Posts: 23330 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 6.1
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Early in March French senator Claude Malhuret, also a former head of Doctors Without Borders, gave a speech that says what everyone is thinking. To paraphrase would only water down its powerful words, so here are a few key excerpts:
Malhuret: --Percy
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dwise1 Member Posts: 6276 Joined: Member Rating: 5.8 |
Prompted by talk of invading Canada, it's been planned before.
dwise1 writes in Message 1334: There's also "Case Red", which I read about in GAMING THE INTERWAR: HOW NAVAL WAR COLLEGE WARGAMES TILTED THE PLAYING FIELD FOR THE U.S. NAVY DURING WORLD WAR II, a thesis by a student at the Naval War College. War gaming has a long history at the Naval War College (NWC) where naval officers training for command at sea can develop their skills starting with tactical level "The Duel" between ships up to running extensive campaigns. Much of the actual Pacific War, such as "island hopping", had been worked out on the floor of NWC's Luce Hall. A similar story is how the Western Approaches Tactical Unit (WATU) used war gaming to determine how the German U-boats were attacking convoys and to develop tactics to fight them -- lots of YouTube content tells their story. The point I'm getting to from that thesis is that the NWC games after WWI started with the opponent being the UK ("Red"), the reasons being that 1) the British Navy was the most powerful navy so they'd be good to practice against and 2) at the time a conflict of national goals with the UK was possible. From another source (TV war documentary) described that we were ill-prepared to fight the German Navy because all our planning in the Atlantic had been against the British. A few years into the Interwar Period our war gaming attention shifted from "Red" to "Orange" (Japan). At the same time, US Army gaming was directed northward to Canada (pp 23-24):
quote: I just was offered this YouTube video, US Plan to Invade Canada, by The Infographics Show and posted 2 years ago. Besides War Plan Red, it also reviews past border conflicts with Canada, including a minor incident in Washington, DC, during the War of 1812.
Share and enjoy! Edited by dwise1, : subtitle
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dwise1 Member Posts: 6276 Joined: Member Rating: 5.8 |
The Infographics Show channel on YouTube has released more content examining potential armed conflicts between the US and our former allies. I haven't watched them yet, but here's the one from a year ago, Canada's WWIII Plan, with three other videos on the side released during the past two weeks about how conflict with NATO could play out.
Breaking up out of a long-term relationship can be so messy. I'm reminded of a British comedy sketch I saw on YouTube about a decade ago. Two German soldiers in uniform are tending to their gear when one starts to ponder a question (from memory):
"I've been wondering: are we the good guys?"
"Of course we are. Why would you ask?" "I mean, look at our uniforms. They have skulls on them. Isn't that something that the bad guys would do?"
Which got me thinking the other day while driving: when is the US military going to start putting skulls on our uniforms?
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DrJones* Member Posts: 2383 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 6.7
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I'm reminded of a British comedy sketch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h242eDB84zY&ab_channel=4K...It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds soon I discovered that this rock thing was true Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world And so there was only one thing I could do Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On *not an actual doctor
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dwise1 Member Posts: 6276 Joined: Member Rating: 5.8 |
Yes, that's the one. Thanks.
Though actually, the Totenkopf ("Death's Head") was not new with the Nazis, but rather had a long history in the Prussian army as well as in other non-German militaries (including our own USMC Marine Raiders minus the crossbones). In Prussia, it started in the late 18th Century under Fredrick II ("the Great") of Prussia who created a hussar regiment (light cavalry) whose black uniforms bore a Totenkopf. From there the symbol carried on into the mid-20th Century (follow the Totenkopf Wikipedia link for more info). But still, it's the Nazis and the SS that we've come to think of first. And pirates, also in that Wikipedia article.
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PaulK Member Posts: 18112 Joined: Member Rating: 5.8 |
Among Trump’s “reciprocal” tariffs is a 10% tariff on Heard and McDonald Islands. These islands have no human inhabitants so it is rather hard to say who has been charging tariffs or what they export to the US.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9695 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 6.1 |
Looks like Trump just declared war on the world. Buy gold, sell stock. Dig a big hole and jump in.
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine. "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed. |
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dronestar Member Posts: 1500 From: usa Joined: Member Rating: 6.5 |
The president is using a false emergency that fetanyl is poring in from canada to: 1 manipulate the markets for profit, 2 to take revenge against an attractive Justin Trudeau, and 3 destabilize the USA so entire government can be destroyed and then rebuilt to his specs (project 2025)
___ Without actual emergencies, the president is not allowed to levy tariffs, only congress can. Last night, a majority of senators with a few republicans voted against canadian tariffs because of the specific harm of the canadian tariffs to their states. Unfortunately, it is currently doubtful the House of Representatives will also support this measure. I am not aware of any other specific emergencies the president would have to invent to create tariffs against other countries (. . . but god knows Heard and McDonald Islands have had it coming for many years). It truly must take a cowardly cult for the majority of congress to give up their responsibilities/rights/power so easily.
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dwise1 Member Posts: 6276 Joined: Member Rating: 5.8 |
Last night, a majority of senators with a few republicans voted against canadian tariffs because of the specific harm of the canadian tariffs to their states. Unfortunately, it is currently doubtful the House of Representatives will also support this measure. There's a House rule that after a certain number of days (14 days as I seem to recall) a bill that hasn't been acted upon must be brought to the floor for a vote. So Speaker Johnson defined the rest of this session of Congress as one single day. That way, we'll never run through the number of days that will trigger that House rule and they'll never vote on it in the remaining nine months of this session of Congress. At least that's what a Progressive Radio host (Michelangelo Signorile I think) has explained a few times. Playing a stacked deck by House rules. With a huge dose of Worde Magick thrown in. That reminds me, wasn't there a musical play based on a porn movie about a talking johnson (AKA "penis")?
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