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LamarkNewAge
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Message 1081 of 1127 (918144)
04-22-2024 8:06 PM
Reply to: Message 1080 by DrJones*
04-22-2024 8:02 PM


Re: Foreign Affairs (first 15% of artcile)
Russia is involved because everyone is trying to fuck some people they should not be fucking
The United States Congress just got fuck-deep.
(Already has been ...)
Get the fuck out ...

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Theodoric
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Message 1082 of 1127 (918145)
04-22-2024 8:07 PM
Reply to: Message 1079 by LamarkNewAge
04-22-2024 7:57 PM


Re: Foreign Affairs (first 15% of artcile)
But again. No evidence or source for your fever dreams.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up, why would you have to lie?


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Message 1083 of 1127 (918146)
04-22-2024 8:08 PM
Reply to: Message 1082 by Theodoric
04-22-2024 8:07 PM


Mayor Volodymyr Struk
Mayor Volodymyr Struk
Retard.

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Taq
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Message 1084 of 1127 (918147)
04-22-2024 8:08 PM
Reply to: Message 1079 by LamarkNewAge
04-22-2024 7:57 PM


Re: Foreign Affairs (first 15% of artcile)
LNA writes:
The corruption is almost off topic.
This is boring, typical stuff.
Off topic? He was in Putin's pocket, and horrendously corrupt. The killing of protestors was another issue:
quote:
Ukrainian security officials say the killings of protesters in Kyiv in February occurred "under the direct leadership" of ousted President Viktor Yanukovych, and accused Russian security services of involvement in the repression.
Investigators Say Yanukovych Gave 'Criminal Order' To Kill Protesters
You go on and on about Ukrainian citizens being killed.
The election issues do not concern his win.

It concerns various local events, and he is accused of not doing enough to stop it.
You are quite right. I removed that part of the post before I realized you replied.
My apologies.
Any claims that he was trying to inflame a delicate society is probably propaganda.
What are you on about? Yanukovych was as corrupt as they come, and in Putin's pocket. He even fled there when he was ousted. This is the setting for what we have today.
Russia lost their influence in Ukraine, so now they are invading. It is as simple as that.

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Message 1085 of 1127 (918148)
04-22-2024 8:14 PM
Reply to: Message 1083 by LamarkNewAge
04-22-2024 8:08 PM


Re: Mayor Volodymyr Struk
LNA writes:
Mayor Volodymyr Struk
He was convicted outside of the courts by a "people's tribunal" for treason after the invasion by Russia had already begun. He was accused of working with Russia to help support the Russian invasion.
Should Struk have been brought before an actual court and tried? Absolutely. Is such action during a hot war too surprising? No. If you are being invaded by a hostile foreign power and one of your citizens is actively helping with that invasion, well . . . There is little doubt he was a traitor to his country.
More importantly, Struk was executed AFTER the invasion, so it couldn't have been a justification for the invasion.

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Theodoric
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Message 1086 of 1127 (918149)
04-22-2024 8:15 PM
Reply to: Message 1083 by LamarkNewAge
04-22-2024 8:08 PM


Re: Mayor Volodymyr Struk
How is Struk relevant to the post I responded to? Are you able to keep your arguments organized?

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up, why would you have to lie?


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LamarkNewAge
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Message 1087 of 1127 (918150)
04-22-2024 8:24 PM
Reply to: Message 1084 by Taq
04-22-2024 8:08 PM


Re: Foreign Affairs (first 15% of artcile)
The issue of who shot at the protestors,in 2014, is admitted by even current President Zelinski, to be unresolved.
The corruption issue is nothing that distinguishes one Ukrainian President from another.
Yanukovych was elected as a pragmatist who wanted to bridge the gap between Europe and Russia.
He wanted support from Ukrainians who fought on both sides of World War 2.
The 2010 local events were in the context of his pragmatic party enjoying record popularity.
He was not trying to inflame and divide the society.
Just use common sense

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Theodoric
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Message 1088 of 1127 (918151)
04-22-2024 8:27 PM
Reply to: Message 1087 by LamarkNewAge
04-22-2024 8:24 PM


Re: Foreign Affairs (first 15% of artcile)
The issue of who shot at the protestors,in 2014, is admitted by even current President Zelinski, to be unresolved.
Source?

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up, why would you have to lie?


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LamarkNewAge
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Message 1089 of 1127 (918152)
04-22-2024 8:27 PM
Reply to: Message 1085 by Taq
04-22-2024 8:14 PM


Re: Mayor Volodymyr Struk
Struk did not do anything BEFORE the invasion.
He was accused of not fighting for Ukraine, and welcoming Russians as liberators.
The geopolitical situation changed hands.
He did nothing violent, did he?
He was a politician.
He had views.
He was killed for his views.

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LamarkNewAge
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Message 1090 of 1127 (918154)
04-22-2024 8:29 PM
Reply to: Message 1088 by Theodoric
04-22-2024 8:27 PM


Re: Foreign Affairs (first 15% of artcile)
I responded to you on your last question, and you said Volodymyr Struk was off topic.
Just get the fuck out of here, you troll

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Taq
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Message 1091 of 1127 (918155)
04-22-2024 8:32 PM
Reply to: Message 1087 by LamarkNewAge
04-22-2024 8:24 PM


Re: Foreign Affairs (first 15% of artcile)
LNA writes:
The issue of who shot at the protestors,in 2014, is admitted by even current President Zelinski, to be unresolved.

The corruption issue is nothing that distinguishes one Ukrainian President from another.

Yanukovych was elected as a pragmatist who wanted to bridge the gap between Europe and Russia.

He wanted support from Ukrainians who fought on both sides of World War 2.

The 2010 local events were in the context of his pragmatic party enjoying record popularity.

He was not trying to inflame and divide the society.
How does any of this justify Russia invading Ukraine?
Russia already took Crimea from Ukraine after it lost influence in Ukraine with the ousting of Yanukovych. In 2022, Russia tried to take the whole of Ukraine.
Now you think Ukraine should take a "deal" where they give up yet another chunk of their country? They already did that with Crimea.
Russia isn't going to stop until they control all of Ukraine. And they don't want to stop with Ukraine.

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Taq
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Message 1092 of 1127 (918156)
04-22-2024 8:35 PM
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04-22-2024 8:27 PM


Re: Mayor Volodymyr Struk
Struk did not do anything BEFORE the invasion.
Would you agree that since Struk was executed after the Russian invasion started that his execution could not have been a justification for the invasion?

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LamarkNewAge
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Message 1093 of 1127 (918160)
04-22-2024 9:46 PM
Reply to: Message 1091 by Taq
04-22-2024 8:32 PM


Re: Foreign Affairs (first 15% of artcile)
I will give a longer response. Later.
My biggest gripe with you is that you seem to feel that the available evidence indicates that Russia wants to take-over Ukraine.
I feel like I am going to have to consider you a brain-washed American.
I doubt even 2 percent of the educated people in, say, India would think you have a good grasp of what is going on.
The evidence is, indeed, that 90 percent of Americans and 55 percent of Brits believe Russia is trying to take over Ukraine.
But, it is a fact of the existence of ignorance and propaganda, and people being duped into believing it.

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Theodoric
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Message 1094 of 1127 (918162)
04-22-2024 9:55 PM
Reply to: Message 1093 by LamarkNewAge
04-22-2024 9:46 PM


Re: Foreign Affairs (first 15% of artcile)
What country are you from that is so enlghtened? Why did they invade if they did not want take over the country? Why does Putin not agree with you?

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up, why would you have to lie?


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LamarkNewAge
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Message 1095 of 1127 (918168)
04-22-2024 10:26 PM
Reply to: Message 1094 by Theodoric
04-22-2024 9:55 PM


Re: Foreign Affairs (first 15% of artcile)
Mayor Volodymyr Struk is off-topic

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