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LamarkNewAge
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Message 1051 of 1127 (918062)
04-21-2024 7:09 PM
Reply to: Message 1050 by Theodoric
04-21-2024 6:56 PM


Re: He is asking about Naftali Bennett's peace brokering attempt, in the war's early days
Like a shit-turd like you is not insulting to the entire human race...

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Message 1052 of 1127 (918063)
04-21-2024 7:20 PM
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04-21-2024 7:09 PM


Re: He is asking about Naftali Bennett's peace brokering attempt, in the war's early days
Well damn if that hasn't convinced me then nothing will.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up, why would you have to lie?


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Message 1053 of 1127 (918065)
04-21-2024 8:05 PM
Reply to: Message 1049 by LamarkNewAge
04-21-2024 6:41 PM


Re: Can you join me in saluting this paragraph in the Foreign Affairs journal?
Yes, I'll be sure to keep that in mind. Thank you for considering it for your signature line!

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LamarkNewAge
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Message 1054 of 1127 (918066)
04-21-2024 10:46 PM
Reply to: Message 1052 by Theodoric
04-21-2024 7:20 PM


Re: He is asking about Naftali Bennett's peace brokering attempt, in the war's early days
I have ZERO interest in communicating with a malware-bot.
It does, literally, ZERO good to attempt to present you with any facts.
Just attempting to have a - factual - conversation with you (You?) (You!), would be need to be rated/scored as doing violence to the very aspirational goal of living in a veritably & genuinely honest world.
I am only making my contribution to a well-poisoning effort if I enable your disruptions to destroy whatever chance there is at genuine discussion. One only poisons the well, if they contribute to an exchange with you.
All one can do is make our best efforts to encourage you to go play with yourself, and leave the scientifically-minded the hell alone. Go light your pants on fire.
Go fart on your front porch.
Go burn your welcome mat.
Do SOMETHING that is useful to you!

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Message 1055 of 1127 (918068)
04-21-2024 11:26 PM
Reply to: Message 1054 by LamarkNewAge
04-21-2024 10:46 PM


Re: He is asking about Naftali Bennett's peace brokering attempt, in the war's early days
still waiting for the facts.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up, why would you have to lie?


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LamarkNewAge
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Message 1056 of 1127 (918069)
04-22-2024 12:16 AM
Reply to: Message 1055 by Theodoric
04-21-2024 11:26 PM


Re: He is asking about Naftali Bennett's peace brokering attempt, in the war's early days
You were allowed over 120 posts to present evidence for the Jesus Myth theory, and you only disrupted and lied the whole time.
You presented no evidence for your fringe theory.
(Already a sure sign you lost, from the get go)
I allowed you to use a Bayesian Analysis methodology (You brought it up!) to explain why the acknowledged evidence for the Jesus Myth Theory was quite week, and only your responses only indicated the strong possibility that you possesses the intelligence of a third grader, as you could only muster up an effort to change the subject, disrupt, and then you lied through your malicious teeth.
You refused to even rely on the work of Richard Carrier , with his use of statistical analysis which waters down (or attempts to) the power of evidence contrary to his Jesus Myth theory.
I had to do all your work for you. I presented some of Carriers arguments, which you disgracefully refused to do.
IM NOT FINISHED
THE WORST AND SADDEST FACT OF ALL:
You STILL fail to even show a modicum of understanding how ignorant you truly are. You are a clueless fuck.
(And you lie about people's views - blatantly lie)
You are stupid.

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Message 1057 of 1127 (918070)
04-22-2024 7:35 AM
Reply to: Message 1056 by LamarkNewAge
04-22-2024 12:16 AM


Still no support for your ravings. Just more ravings.
Please stay on topic.
There are at least 3 forum rules broken by this post.
I get the impression that maybe you do not actually want a civil debate.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up, why would you have to lie?


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Message 1058 of 1127 (918072)
04-22-2024 10:36 AM
Reply to: Message 1047 by LamarkNewAge
04-21-2024 6:17 PM


Re: He is asking about Naftali Bennett's peace brokering attempt, in the war's early days
Address it.
OK...Whoopdedoo!

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that it has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --Percy
The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
Why should anyone debate someone who doesn't know the subject? -- AZPaul3
If you are going to argue that evolution is false because it resembles your own beliefs then perhaps you should rethink your argument. - - Taq

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Message 1059 of 1127 (918085)
04-22-2024 1:23 PM
Reply to: Message 1025 by LamarkNewAge
04-21-2024 3:54 PM


Re: Foreign Affairs (first 15% of artcile)
LNA writes:
A hidden history of diplomacy that came up short—but holds lessons for future negotiations.
There was already a deal in place and it was called the Ukrainian border. Russia violated that agreement. They will violate any subsequent agreement.
Putin wants to reestablish the border of the old USSR. He wants a series of satellite states that stand between other European powers and the wide open plains of Russia. This includes countries like Poland and the Baltic states. This process started with the invasion of countries like Crimea, and it won't stop if Russia is given a portion of Ukraine.
Supporting Ukraine in their fight for their country will keep American military forces out of a war with Russia. That's what some people can't understand. After Ukraine, Putin's next move is to invade NATO countries that border Russia. The US has sworn to protect those NATO countries with US troops. Pushing Russia completely out of Ukraine is the only sane outcome to this war. Once Russia is out, Ukraine joins NATO and NATO countries step up with to secure Ukraine's border.

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Message 1060 of 1127 (918098)
04-22-2024 4:39 PM
Reply to: Message 1059 by Taq
04-22-2024 1:23 PM


Re: Foreign Affairs (first 15% of artcile)
I am actually amazed that someone gave some sort of response - even if it was a caricature of a United States of America's citizens typical (uninformed) view.
You must be aping, right?
I will respond when I get to my computer (on phone).
But, I have a question:
You do know that the Baltic states are part of NATO, correct?
And your part about, "That's what some people can't understand", has to be a joke? Right?
You said some people don't understand THE SOLUTION shoved down all of our throats - imposition of war.
Ukraine's Olecsandyr Chalyi said:
April 2022 peace settlement
CHALYI APRIL 2022 PEACE SETTLEMENT

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Message 1061 of 1127 (918100)
04-22-2024 5:05 PM
Reply to: Message 1060 by LamarkNewAge
04-22-2024 4:39 PM


Re: Foreign Affairs (first 15% of artcile)
LNA writes:
You do know that the Baltic states are part of NATO, correct?
Yes.
And your part about, "That's what some people can't understand", has to be a joke? Right?
What part are you referring to? That Putin is trying to reestablish the old USSR Iron Curtain that plugged all of the strategic geographic gaps leading to the Russian plains? That people are unaware of Putin's plan? That sacrificing US dollars is preferrable to sacrificing US troops? That stopping Putin and pushing him out of Ukraine is in the best interest of the US?
Which part exactly?
Geopolitical Analyst Peter Zeihan on Russia’s “War to the End” - Georgia Today
Ukraine's Olecsandyr Chalyi said:

April 2022 peace settlement

CHALYI APRIL 2022 PEACE SETTLEMENT
Given Ukraine turned it down, it must have meant Russia would hold the land they currently occupied. That's a no go. All they would do is build up troops in that region, and then try again to take the rest.
The one and only requirement for any peace treaty is Russia's complete withdrawal from Ukraine. That's it.

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LamarkNewAge
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Message 1062 of 1127 (918103)
04-22-2024 5:22 PM
Reply to: Message 1061 by Taq
04-22-2024 5:05 PM


Re: Foreign Affairs (first 15% of artcile)
Russia was supportive of a ten to fifteen years plan to figure out the solution for parts of Eastern Ukraine.
Obviously, Russia was in favor of the Democratic solution for the respective parts (relatively local referendums)
Ukraine openly bragged about executing Mayors of Eastern Ukraine towns, in 2022, saying they were fifth columnists.
The agreement was hashed out and Putin is certain Zelinski supported it.

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LamarkNewAge
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Message 1063 of 1127 (918104)
04-22-2024 5:23 PM
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04-22-2024 5:05 PM


Re: Foreign Affairs (first 15% of artcile)
I will give a fuller response later.

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Message 1064 of 1127 (918105)
04-22-2024 5:43 PM
Reply to: Message 1062 by LamarkNewAge
04-22-2024 5:22 PM


Re: Foreign Affairs (first 15% of artcile)
LNA writes:
Russia was supportive of a ten to fifteen years plan to figure out the solution for parts of Eastern Ukraine.
The solution is that Russia immediately leaves all of Ukraine.
Obviously, Russia was in favor of the Democratic solution for the respective parts (relatively local referendums)

Ukraine openly bragged about executing Mayors of Eastern Ukraine towns, in 2022, saying they were fifth columnists.
It's the Russians who are executing mayors and local officials.
ukraine executing mayors - Google Search
The agreement was hashed out and Putin is certain Zelinski supported it.
Why would you trust anything that man says? And why should Ukraine give up one inch of their soil?
Russia didn't respect the Ukrainian borders when they invaded the first time. Why would they respect them in the future? All you would see is a series of invasions, each one whittling away what is left of Ukraine.

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LamarkNewAge
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Message 1065 of 1127 (918107)
04-22-2024 5:53 PM
Reply to: Message 1064 by Taq
04-22-2024 5:43 PM


Re: Foreign Affairs (first 15% of artcile)
You buy too much propaganda.
Ukraine openly removed democratically elected parliamentary members, when parties were banned.
Democracy has been over in Ukraine for a decade.
Mayors, who were Ukrainian citizens, were killed.
Ukraine kills it's own citizens and outlaws political parties.
Ukraine outlaws individuals - infact militias execute their fellow Ukrainian citizens.
Russia wanted to give Ukraine a deal, you say Ukraine did not want a deal, and because of the disagreements over the eastern parts of Ukraine? ( Your position is that Ukraine - itself, not due to western government's pressure - rejected the 2022 deal, due to the refusal to compromise on Eastern Ukraine's questionable status?)

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