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Dredge
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Message 1111 of 1249 (902218)
11-19-2022 12:41 PM
Reply to: Message 1110 by ringo
11-19-2022 10:56 AM


Re: UCD evidence
No. I'm talking about the history of UCD - history that goes back millions-billions of years.

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Dredge
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Message 1112 of 1249 (902219)
11-19-2022 12:44 PM
Reply to: Message 1106 by Stile
11-18-2022 8:15 AM


Re: UCD evidence
That's right - driving a car doesn't require any knowledge of "nuts and bolts", nor any knowledge of how cars evolved.

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Dredge
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Message 1113 of 1249 (902222)
11-19-2022 12:51 PM
Reply to: Message 1107 by xongsmith
11-18-2022 1:08 PM


Re: UCD evidence
wrongsmith writes:
Now stating that using animal models doesn't require accepting the theory of UCD is like stating that using animal models doesn't require examining their DNA
Why do you need to believe that all life shares a common ancestor to examine and compare the DNA of humans and other animals?

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Dredge
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Message 1114 of 1249 (902236)
11-19-2022 5:34 PM
Reply to: Message 1098 by AZPaul3
11-15-2022 4:47 PM


Re: UCD evidence
AZPaul3 = APauling

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Message 1115 of 1249 (902238)
11-19-2022 6:47 PM
Reply to: Message 1113 by Dredge
11-19-2022 12:51 PM


Re: UCD evidence
Dredgings:
Why do you need to believe that all life shares a common ancestor to examine and compare the DNA of humans and other animals?
First off: "Why do you need to believe that all life shares a common ancestor?"
I don't believe this, i accept it as demonstrated fact.
Secondly, "to examine and compare the DNA of humans and other animals?"
The measure of DNA separation can only be understood with UCD, otherwise you are shooting in the dark.
I'm beginning to see you as a Sea Lion troll.

"I'm the Grim Reaper now, Mitch. Step aside."
Death to #TzarVladimirtheCondemned!
Enjoy every sandwich!

- xongsmith, 5.7dawkins scale


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AZPaul3
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Message 1116 of 1249 (902240)
11-19-2022 8:39 PM
Reply to: Message 1114 by Dredge
11-19-2022 5:34 PM


Re: UCD evidence
AZPaul3 = APauling
Cute in a sad highschool kinda way, but I note you cannot refute what I said. Once again the bs you were trying foist on this thread is exposed as bogus. I win again!

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Dredge
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Message 1117 of 1249 (902243)
11-19-2022 10:44 PM
Reply to: Message 1116 by AZPaul3
11-19-2022 8:39 PM


Re: UCD evidence
APauling writes:
I note you cannot refute what I said.
I didn't refute your comment coz - as usual - it was kinda irrelevant to the discussion.
APauling writes:
Once again the bs you were trying foist on this thread is exposed as bogus.
I understand why you consider my pearls of wisdom and astonishing
displays of scientific knowledge to be "bs" - you are afraid to face reality and the truth.
Denial is a river in Egypt where cowards hide in the reeds and weave baskets (out of those same reeds).
APauling writes:
I win again!
From time to time I allow you a small but inconsequential victory - otherwise you would surely descend into a pit of depression and despair.
Lord knows I've made a fool of you on many, many occasions, which takes a toll on your confidence and mental health.
APauling writes:
Cute in a sad highschool kinda way
The sooner you change your moniker from "AZPaul3" to "APauling", the better it will be for everyone ... including you. If you want to include a number or two, I urge you to consider "APauling666".
"Don't pretend to be something you're not.
Just be who you are.
That's what's really cool
."
Ben Stiller as Starsky, Starsky & Hutch, 2004 film

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Dredge
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Message 1118 of 1249 (902244)
11-20-2022 12:58 AM
Reply to: Message 1115 by xongsmith
11-19-2022 6:47 PM


Re: UCD evidence
Dredge writes:
Why do you need to believe that all life shares a common ancestor to examine and compare the DNA of humans and other animals?
wrongsmith writes:
The measure of DNA separation can only be understood with UCD, otherwise you are shooting in the dark.
That's wonderful, wrongsmith ... now all you have to do is explain how understanding the measure of DNA separation with UCD has provided a practical use in medicine.
In other words, which treatment of which disease has been created or improved by understanding the measure of DNA separation with UCD?
I'm beginning to see you as a Sea Lion troll.
That's wonderful too. Thank you for the compliment.

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ringo
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Message 1119 of 1249 (902282)
11-21-2022 11:21 AM
Reply to: Message 1111 by Dredge
11-19-2022 12:41 PM


Re: UCD evidence
Dredge writes:
I'm talking about the history of UCD - history that goes back millions-billions of years.
You're talking nonsense. Species are genetically and physiologically similar because they have a common ancestor. Dinosaurs and birds are genetically and physiologically similar because they have a common ancestor.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
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Message 1120 of 1249 (902283)
11-21-2022 11:24 AM
Reply to: Message 1113 by Dredge
11-19-2022 12:51 PM


Re: UCD evidence
Dredge writes:
Why do you need to believe that all life shares a common ancestor to examine and compare the DNA of humans and other animals?
Why don't science deniers like creationists and flat-earthers produce any scientific breakthroughs? It seems that accepting the science HELPS.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
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Message 1121 of 1249 (902284)
11-21-2022 11:30 AM
Reply to: Message 1117 by Dredge
11-19-2022 10:44 PM


Re: UCD evidence
Dredge writes:
I didn't refute your comment coz - as usual - it was kinda irrelevant to the discussion.
That's the Number One excuse in the anti-science Prayer Book: "I didn't refute your comment because it was off-topic/irrelevant/previously-discussed, etc." If you can refute, refute - and let the admins decide whether you're off-topic.
Dredge writes:
I understand why you consider my pearls of wisdom and astonishing
displays of scientific knowledge to be "bs"...
Your displays of "scientific knowledge" match your IQ of 9.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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AZPaul3
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Message 1122 of 1249 (902343)
11-21-2022 7:22 PM
Reply to: Message 1118 by Dredge
11-20-2022 12:58 AM


Re: UCD evidence
... now all you have to do is explain how understanding the measure of DNA separation with UCD has provided a practical use in medicine.
Why? Because you're too lazy and intellectually challenged to research those facts yourself?
The scientific consensus, by near unanimous agreement, agrees the fact of the UCD is a linchpin in the evidence of evolution. That's why you hate it so much.
And since you're a cracker munchin' catholic with delusions of Genesis poisoning your brain, anything you say on the subject is, entertaining, but ultimately intellectually useless.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Message 1123 of 1249 (902357)
11-22-2022 10:43 AM
Reply to: Message 1113 by Dredge
11-19-2022 12:51 PM


Re: UCD evidence
Dredge writes:
Why do you need to believe that all life shares a common ancestor to examine and compare the DNA of humans and other animals?
A perfect example of why creationism is a science stopper. All Dredge thinks one should do is just measure stuff. Explain it? OH NOOOOO, CAN'T DO THAT!!! Apply the scientific method? ABSOLUTELY NOT!!!

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Message 1124 of 1249 (902367)
11-22-2022 12:29 PM
Reply to: Message 1112 by Dredge
11-19-2022 12:44 PM


Re: UCD evidence
Dredge writes:
That's right - driving a car doesn't require any knowledge of "nuts and bolts", nor any knowledge of how cars evolved.
Absolutely.
Thanks for coming around.
The point is that nuts and bolts are irrevocably important to the manufacture of vehicles. Understanding this importance leads to greater vehicle technology.
The point is that UCD is irrevocably important to those genetic similarities existing. Understanding this importance leads to greater biological/medicinal technology.

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Dredge
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Message 1125 of 1249 (902369)
11-22-2022 3:59 PM
Reply to: Message 1122 by AZPaul3
11-21-2022 7:22 PM


Re: UCD evidence
APauling writes:
The scientific consensus, by near unanimous agreement, agrees the fact of the UCD is a linchpin in the evidence of evolution. 
How is that relevant to the discussion?
The development of which treatment of which disease required the acceptance of "the fact of UCD"?
Are you saying that, if I get a Covid jab, it won't work bcoz I don't accept "the fact of UCD"?

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