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Taq
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Message 1081 of 1249 (901254)
11-07-2022 11:06 AM
Reply to: Message 1060 by Dredge
11-06-2022 11:35 AM


Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
Dredge writes:
Darwinist assume UCD is a fact, therefore the entire history of life on earth forms one huge nested hierarchy.
You can't even stay consistent. The nested hierarchy is a fact, just like genetic similarities. The nested hierarchy is there whether anyone accepts UCD or not.
Also, scientists concluded that all life shares a common ancestor because of the universal nested hierarchy. The observed fact led to the conclusion. Before this point, UCD was still a big question. It could have been that life had multiple origins, but that is not where the evidence led. In fact, Darwin himself did not assume UCD.
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There is grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers, having been originally breathed into a few forms or into one; and that, whilst this planet has gone cycling on according to the fixed law of gravity, from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been, and are being, evolved.
--Charles Darwin, "On the Origin of Species"
All you are doing is beating up on strawmen.

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Message 1082 of 1249 (901391)
11-08-2022 9:58 PM
Reply to: Message 1057 by Dredge
11-05-2022 7:22 PM


Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
Sorry, I don't follow.
Why am I not surprised?
All I did was to toss your own argument back at you. And, of course, you didn't understand it. Which is so sadly typical of creationists.
Why am I not surprised?

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Message 1083 of 1249 (901409)
11-09-2022 1:14 PM
Reply to: Message 1077 by Taq
11-07-2022 10:51 AM


Re: UCD evidence
Dredge writes:
Did you notice the pattern of SPECULATION evident in those quotes?
Taq writes:
Yes. It's called research. They are using common ancestry to come up with new hypotheses in biomedical research. That is a practical use.
So you consider mere speculation about a hypothesis that has produced zero practical benefits be a "practical use" of UCD.
Wow, that's bizarre.

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Message 1084 of 1249 (901410)
11-09-2022 1:15 PM
Reply to: Message 1083 by Dredge
11-09-2022 1:14 PM


Re: UCD evidence
Dredge writes:
So you consider mere speculation about a hypothesis that has produced zero practical benefits be a "practical use" of UCD.
No. I never said any such thing.
Perhaps you could address what I actually said?

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Message 1085 of 1249 (901412)
11-09-2022 1:40 PM
Reply to: Message 1084 by Taq
11-09-2022 1:15 PM


Re: UCD evidence
Dredge writes:
So you consider mere speculation about a hypothesis that has produced zero practical benefits be a "practical use" of UCD.
Taq writes:
No. I never said any such thing.
Perhaps you could address what I actually said?
In effect, it is what you said.
In effect, you're saying a theoretical use of UCD is a practical use of UCD.
Like I said, bizarre.
Which treatment of which disease has resulted from
"using common ancestry to come up with new hypotheses in biomedical research", as described in that paper? Message 1077

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Message 1086 of 1249 (901418)
11-09-2022 2:52 PM
Reply to: Message 1085 by Dredge
11-09-2022 1:40 PM


Re: UCD evidence
Dredge writes:
In effect, it is what you said.
No, it isn't. You can keep swinging away at your strawmen, or you can actually address what people are saying.

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Message 1087 of 1249 (901424)
11-09-2022 5:13 PM
Reply to: Message 1083 by Dredge
11-09-2022 1:14 PM


Re: UCD evidence
Dredgings:
mere speculation about a hypothesis that has produced zero practical benefits
zero? where the fuck do you think any of us have said that?

"I'm the Grim Reaper now, Mitch. Step aside."
Death to #TzarVladimirtheCondemned!
Enjoy every sandwich!

- xongsmith, 5.7dawkins scale


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Message 1088 of 1249 (901426)
11-09-2022 5:28 PM
Reply to: Message 1086 by Taq
11-09-2022 2:52 PM


Re: UCD evidence
You can keep swinging away at your strawmen, or you can actually address what people are saying.
No, no he can’t. He has to continue to lie and obfuscate otherwise he is admitting that UCD and common descent are linchpin concepts in evidence of the reality of evolution. His gutter religion cannot accept the reality of evolution and he must fight against the obvious no matter how stupid and inane his arguments.
He is a meat-cracker eating theist. Reality is anathema to him. Strawmen are his only arguments.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Message 1089 of 1249 (901683)
11-13-2022 6:32 PM
Reply to: Message 1088 by AZPaul3
11-09-2022 5:28 PM


Re: UCD evidence
AZPaul3 writes:
He has to continue to lie and obfuscate otherwise he is admitting that UCD and common descent are linchpin concepts in evidence of the reality of evolution.
Irrelevant to my argument.
His gutter religion cannot accept the reality of evolution and he must fight against the obvious no matter how stupid and inane his arguments.
Irrelevant to my argument.
Reality is anathema to him.
Irrelevant to my argument.
Strawmen are his only arguments.
You've just presented four strawman arguments.

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Message 1090 of 1249 (901686)
11-13-2022 9:04 PM
Reply to: Message 1089 by Dredge
11-13-2022 6:32 PM


Re: UCD evidence
Irrelevant to my argument.
First, you have no argument. Only unevidenced assertions built into your own strawmen.
Second, of course all are relevant. They form the very basis of your motivations to lie about evolution.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Message 1091 of 1249 (901687)
11-14-2022 12:04 AM
Reply to: Message 1089 by Dredge
11-13-2022 6:32 PM


Creos can lwarn
Nice to see you learned a new word,

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 1092 of 1249 (901885)
11-15-2022 1:18 PM
Reply to: Message 1077 by Taq
11-07-2022 10:51 AM


Re: UCD evidence
Taq writes:
They are using common ancestry to come up with new hypotheses in biomedical research. That is a practical use.
Wrong, Einstein. That is a theorectical use. It becomes a practical use when it results in an improvement in the treatment of a disease.
So, which treatment of which disease has resulted from
"using common ancestry to come up with new hypotheses in biomedical research", as described in that paper? Message 1077
If you can't tell me (and you can't), you don't have a practical use.
Trying to pass off a theorectical use as a practical use demonstrates that you're a typical Darwinist ... ie, a bs-artist and a con-man.

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Message 1093 of 1249 (901899)
11-15-2022 1:59 PM
Reply to: Message 1092 by Dredge
11-15-2022 1:18 PM


Re: UCD evidence
Dredge writes:
Wrong, Einstein. That is a theorectical use. It becomes a practical use when it results in an improvement in the treatment of a disease.
Guiding research is a very practical use, whether you like it or not.

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Message 1094 of 1249 (901901)
11-15-2022 2:07 PM
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11-15-2022 1:59 PM


Re: UCD evidence
Taq writes:
Guiding research is a very practical use, whether you like it or not.
It is, quite possibly, the most practical use.

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Message 1095 of 1249 (901902)
11-15-2022 2:31 PM
Reply to: Message 1094 by Stile
11-15-2022 2:07 PM


Re: UCD evidence
Taq writes:
Guiding research is a very practical use, whether you like it or not.
More bs.
Medical research that fails to produce an improvement in the treatment of disease is a useless failure ... not a practical use of anything.
A research hypothesis that fails to produce an improvement in the treatment of disease is also a useless failure ... not a practical use of anything.

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