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Dredge
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Message 796 of 1429 (897292)
09-01-2022 10:49 PM
Reply to: Message 753 by ringo
08-25-2022 11:46 AM


Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
Dredge writes:
A scientist with any common sense would first experiment with insulin from mammals. ... no need for the theory UCD.
ringo writes:
That IS the theory of UCD.
Nonsense. Humans are mammals, so anyone with half a brain would figure that insulin from other mammals would likely work better than insulin from non-mammals like mollusks or fish ... nothing to do with UCD.
Do try and awaken from your stupor.

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Message 797 of 1429 (897294)
09-01-2022 11:14 PM
Reply to: Message 796 by Dredge
09-01-2022 10:49 PM


A perfect example of a Poe
WOW!!!
Either extremely stupid, delusional or just playing the fool. A perfect example of Poe's law.
Poe's law - Wikipedia

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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ringo
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Message 798 of 1429 (897303)
09-02-2022 11:58 AM
Reply to: Message 796 by Dredge
09-01-2022 10:49 PM


Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
Dredge writes:
Nonsense.
Who are you to judge what is nonsense. You're a self-admitted idiot.
Dredge writes:
Humans are mammals, so anyone with half a brain...
But you have less than half a brain.
Dredge writes:
... would figure that insulin from other mammals would likely work better than insulin from non-mammals like mollusks or fish
And yet they DON'T. That's what you keep missing. Creationists DON'T use that supposed knowledge for any useful purpose.
Your claim is the equivalent of saying that wings have nothing to do with their ability to fly. My point is that elephants DON'T have wings and they can't fly so it seems reasonable to conclude that flying is related to wings.
Dredge writes:
Do try and awaken from your stupor.
Do try to remember who's the idiot here, you idiot.

"Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg.
What's going on? Where are all the friends I had?
It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong.
Give me back, give me back my Leningrad."
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Message 799 of 1429 (897322)
09-02-2022 6:18 PM
Reply to: Message 786 by Dredge
08-31-2022 12:26 AM


Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
Sludge writes:
I can sort of understand why a scientist, having lost an argument to the village-idiot, would resort to pulling out the "troll" card in a desperate attempt to save face.
Well, I guess I missed the part where you provided any evidence to support your argument. And I was just pointing out your trollish behavior once again, since I realized how much you like Pete and repeat.
Sludge writes:
As for the "relatedness of life" ... yes, but only in the sense that
there are genetic similarities between species.

But if by "relatedness of life", you mean the theory of UCD ... no, that theory is irrelevant and useless to medicine.
Those genetic similarities are all due to sharing a common ancestor and since you are neither a scientist or a doctor you have no say in what is relevant or useful in medicine.
Sludge writes:
Tanypteryx writes:
Interestingly, something we never see is creationism, ID, or prayer being useful tools in the medical science toolkit. Faith healers are not replacing neurosurgeons.
Interestingly, you're strawmaning again.
Sorry, but straw-manning would be saying something untrue, while what I did was make a snide observation.
Sludge writes:
For some strange reason, you seem incapable of separating useful facts from a useless theory that attempts to explain why those facts exist.
For some strange reason you keep making the same unsupported claims.
Sludge writes:
It's as if, once upon a time, someone told you that "nothing in biology makes sense except in the light of UCD" and you believed it, never stopping to consider the veracity of that Darwinist doctrine.
I guess you need to cling to your fantasies, but no one has ever said that to me and we have moved so far beyond Darwin that it's just a warm glow in the rear view mirror.
Sludge writes:
Isn't it fascinating that even highly intelligent folks, such as scientists, are not immune from brainwashing and episodes of cognitive dissonance?
Yep, that's pretty fascinating alright. I wonder who the brainwasher is? Do they wash the brains when they're kids or wait until they put on their lab coats? Maybe brainwashing 101 at the local community college.

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AZPaul3
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Message 800 of 1429 (897407)
09-04-2022 6:24 PM
Reply to: Message 796 by Dredge
09-01-2022 10:49 PM


Serious
Hey Altar Boy, I have a serious question if you care to answer. No prizes or recriminations either way (maybe), I promise.
Over in thread Does reversing abortion laws give all non-white Americans a better socio-economic dem the main OP is expressing a ... view point.
You'll see my usual insultive self there, just ignore that stuff.
A curiosity, as much and as little you may care to share, what are your views on that thread?

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Message 801 of 1429 (897486)
09-06-2022 1:51 PM
Reply to: Message 796 by Dredge
09-01-2022 10:49 PM


Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
Dredge writes:
Nonsense. Humans are mammals, so anyone with half a brain would figure that insulin from other mammals would likely work better than insulin from non-mammals like mollusks or fish ... nothing to do with UCD.
The only reason we would expect life to fall into a nested hierarchy is if common ancestry is true. The evidence for common ancestry is that there is a real group called mammals, and that humans belong to that group. No such grouping is expected from special creation.

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Dredge
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Message 802 of 1429 (898990)
10-05-2022 6:17 PM
Reply to: Message 759 by dwise1
08-26-2022 4:58 PM


Re: Dredge Doesn't Think
dwise1 writes:
bollux
I think the word you're looking for is "bollocks".

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dwise1
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Message 803 of 1429 (898993)
10-05-2022 7:48 PM
Reply to: Message 802 by Dredge
10-05-2022 6:17 PM


Re: Dredge Doesn't Think
Referenced quote from my Message 802 lifted so rudely out of context by the scum-sucking bottom feeder:
DWise1 writes:
IOW, Dredge's entire whale pelvis argument is complete bollux (do they say that there in his Upside Down?).
His only "retort" after an entire month is to quibble over the spelling of a foreign term? (I'm an American making use of a British-ish term)
Such incredible weakness!
Wow! What a complete fucking loser!

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Dredge
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Message 804 of 1429 (898995)
10-06-2022 12:24 AM
Reply to: Message 803 by dwise1
10-05-2022 7:48 PM


Re: Dredge Doesn't Think
dwise1 writes:
scum-sucking bottom-feeder
An acceptable description of someone called "Dredge".
His only "retort" after an entire month ...
You missed me, didn't you?
Well, I missed you too.
... is to quibble over the spelling of a foreign term? (I'm an American making use of a British-ish term)
Don't be so hard on yourself ... everyone makes mistakes ... even highly-intelligent people like yourself.
Btw, it's not too late to thank me for pointing out your error.
What a complete fucking loser
A reasonable assessment ... although "complete" might be a tad strong.

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Dredge
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Message 805 of 1429 (898997)
10-06-2022 1:01 AM
Reply to: Message 560 by dwise1
08-04-2022 1:33 PM


Re: Dredge Doesn't Think
560/38
dwise1 writes:
So with ligaments being all that hold those pelvic bones (AKA ilia) in place, strong and tight ligaments would be beneficial for land mammals and loosing or loss of those ligaments detrimental; we can easily tell which would be selected for and which against. But when the structural requirements for strong and tight ligaments are no more, then loosening or loss of those ligaments would no longer be selected against -- I'm not sure what the trade-off would be that might make retaining those ligaments detrimental.
This is your best explanation for how the ilia and hind legs completely detached themselves separated from the sacrum?
Sounds like a vague guess from someone who claims to know how evolution works but obviously doesn't.
we can easily tell which would be selected for and which against
Well of course it's easy to tell - according to Darwinist theory, every (alleged) evolutionary change is the one "selected for!

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dwise1
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Message 806 of 1429 (899001)
10-06-2022 10:10 AM
Reply to: Message 805 by Dredge
10-06-2022 1:01 AM


Re: Dredge Doesn't Think
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dwise1
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Message 807 of 1429 (899003)
10-06-2022 10:17 AM
Reply to: Message 805 by Dredge
10-06-2022 1:01 AM


Re: Dredge Doesn't Think
But seriously:
DWise1 writes:
we can easily tell which would be selected for and which against
Well of course it's easy to tell - according to Darwinist theory, every (alleged) evolutionary change is the one "selected for!
Everything comes at a cost and so must be selected for to be retained. If it is no longer needed (hence no longer selected for) then that extra cost is no longer needed and becomes a detriment, so that feature will be "selected against" and lost.
Anybody who knows anything at all about evolution can see that. But you are such a fucking stupid idiot that you will forever be completely clueless.
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ringo
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Message 808 of 1429 (899007)
10-06-2022 11:42 AM
Reply to: Message 805 by Dredge
10-06-2022 1:01 AM


Re: Dredge Doesn't Think
Dredge writes:
This is your best explanation for how the ilia and hind legs completely detached themselves separated from the sacrum?
We just had an item on the news the other day about a pod of orcas attacking a couple of humpback whales.
If the humpbacks were still dragging hind legs around, their swimming would have been hampered and they would have been eaten. That's natural selection at its best.

"Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg.
What's going on? Where are all the friends I had?
It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong.
Give me back, give me back my Leningrad."
-- Leningrad Cowboys

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Dredge
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Message 809 of 1429 (899020)
10-06-2022 3:41 PM
Reply to: Message 808 by ringo
10-06-2022 11:42 AM


Re: Dredge Doesn't Think
ringo writes:
We just had an item on the news the other day about a pod of orcas attacking a couple of humpback whales.
If the humpbacks were still dragging hind legs around, their swimming would have been hampered and they would have been eaten. That's natural selection at its best.
If the whales still had legs they could escape the orca's by climbing out of the water on to land. How's that for natural selection?
Ever seen an otter swim? They're incredibly fast and agile ... yep, their hind legs really slow them down! Furthermore, otters don't use their front legs for swimming at all.
What "environmental pressures" produced the complete separation of the ilia (along with the hindlegs) from the sacrum of the land mammal (the alleged evolutionary ancestor of whales)?

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ringo
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Message 810 of 1429 (899025)
10-06-2022 10:02 PM
Reply to: Message 809 by Dredge
10-06-2022 3:41 PM


Re: Dredge Doesn't Think
Dredge writes:
If the whales still had legs they could escape the orca's by climbing out of the water on to land.
There's no way a whale can support its own weight on land.
Dredge writes:
Ever seen an otter swim? They're incredibly fast and agile ... yep, their hind legs really slow them down! Furthermore, otters don't use their front legs for swimming at all.
Your idea of amphibious whales does not compare with otters. They evolved on different pathways.
Dredge writes:
What "environmental pressures" produced the complete separation of the ilia (along with the hindlegs) from the sacrum of the land mammal (the alleged evolutionary ancestor of whales)?
Predators.
By going into the water, they escaped from land predators. And by losing their legs, they escaped from aquatic predators.

"Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg.
What's going on? Where are all the friends I had?
It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong.
Give me back, give me back my Leningrad."
-- Leningrad Cowboys

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